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[email protected] that's D R K E R R Y g l b gmail.com and visit my new website, wellness1280.com where we have all guest links, Wellness 1280 info and previous shows. Wellness is taking over the Patriot Airways for the next hour. Please sit back and enjoy my interview with Dr. Scott Scherr. Hyperbaric oxygen therapy, or HBOT is a natural, non invasive treatment that uses a pressurized chamber to increase the body's oxygen levels. This therapy has several health benefits including enhanced wound healing, combating infections and supporting mitochondrial health. Today's guest is Dr. Scott Scherr, M.D. a specialist in hyperbaric oxygen. Dr. Scher is a board certified internal medicine physician certified in Health Optimization Medicine and the COO of transcriptions, that's T R O S. He leads a global practice focused on education, consulting and telemedicine. Dr. Scher, thank you for joining me today on Open youn Eyes Radio.
[00:07:30] Speaker C: It's good to be here sir. Thanks for having me.
[00:07:32] Speaker B: So let's get started. And tell me, what exactly is hyperbaric oxygen therapy?
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[00:07:42] Speaker C: So the definition of hyperbaric oxygen therapy is it's a combination of increased inspired oxygen and increased atmospheric pressure. So let's talk about oxygen first. Everybody knows a little bit about this. Oxygen is very important for us. If we don't have oxygen, we can't make energy in our cells in our mitochondria specifically. So oxygen is very important now in the air at sea level, you have about 21% percent oxygen in the air. So I live in Colorado, so where I am, it's about 16% oxygen in the air. I live at 5,000ft. When you go on an airplane and you're pressurized in a cabin, you're at 8,000ft pressurization. So that's less oxygen in the air overall. Just as a. As a little bit of a tidbit there that most people don't know about, actually. And so when we. We're thinking about oxygen, we're thinking about the type of cell that can carry oxygen in the body called the red blood cell. Red blood cells typically carry oxygen from the lungs, where they pick up the oxygen and bring it to all of our tissues to help us do the things that we, which is to make energy in all the places that we need to make energy, and we make tons of energy every single day, needing a lot of oxygen. In fact, every red blood cell can carry 1 billion oxygen molecules. It's a lot, actually. And so if you ever measured, like, with a pulse oximeter, like a pulse ox on your finger that's measuring how many sites on that red blood cell are saturated with oxygen, most people, 96, a hundred percent. Right. So how can we increase the amount of oxygen in circulation with red blood cells? Well, we can increase the number of red blood cells in circulation. Right. And so typically, you can come to altitude and you have an. A hormone that gets released, something called EP or EPO for sure. This is the doping drug. If people have heard of Cyclist and Lance Armstrong and, you know, having one testicle and things like that, that's. That's all the doping drug that they were talking about. It's called epogen, that increases the number of red blood cells that you have in circulation. And the other way to, you know, increase that, increase that hormone is to take it exogenously, take it as a injection, or you can come to altitude, and that hormone will be released naturally as well.
You can also give yourself a red blood cell transfusion and increase the number of red blood cells in circulation to carry oxygen. But what we're doing in a hyperbaric chamber is something a little bit different. We're increasing your oxygen carrying capacity, the amount of oxygen you can get in circulation, because we're increasing atmospheric pressure. And so atmospheric pressure, we're simulating the pressure you feel under a certain amount of seawater. Water is extremely heavy. We know this because if you pick up a bucket of water, it's heavy. If you, however, are swimming in the ocean or something like that, you don't feel that heaviness because you're a little bit more weightless, because the density of water. But we know that the deeper you go, the more pressure you're under. So in a hyperbaric chamber, we simulate the pressure you feel under a certain amount of seawater. And what that water pressure does is it drives more oxygen in circulation, not only on those red blood cells, which are mostly saturated with oxygen already, but into the plasma or the liquid of your bloodstream. That liquid of the bloodstream has very little oxygen in it at sea level at baseline. And even just putting a face mask on your face is not going to do it, because you don't have the pressure to be able to drive it into the liquid of your bloodstream. And because you can do that pressurization into the liquid, you can get up to over 1200% more oxygen in the circulation, if possible, as po. Even more than that, if, because of that pressure. And then at. If you go to 66ft of seawater, which is also called 3ata in our nomenclature, in the hyperbaric world, you can saturate so much oxygen into the plasma that you no longer need red blood cells to maintain your physiologic needs of function. So that's a huge amount of oxygen. And so, again, very simple hyperbaric therapy is a combination of increased inspired oxygen. So you have that 21% oxygen we were talking about. You can increase that all the way to a hundred percent. And combining that with increased atmospheric pressure, and it's that pressure that drives oxygen and circulation to supra physiologic levels, to levels that are not possible any other way.
[00:11:23] Speaker B: And pressure is more important than the amount, than the amount of oxygen. Is that correct?
[00:11:28] Speaker C: You need both, right? You need the pressure to be able to drive the oxygen in circulation. And so oxygen is, of course, important because that's what we're bringing into the system and causing all the changes with. But if you just had oxygen, like on a face mask, you would not be able to get anywhere near these kinds of levels of oxygen in the system, because typically, oxygen is only going to be carried on those red blood cells unless there's pressure around.
[00:11:50] Speaker B: So when you put. When you're using the pressure that you're putting on the oxygen, putting oxygen, and you're driving the oxygen into a liquid form, into. Into the plasma. Because if we're using a pulse ox, we're like 97% oxygen. We're almost full of oxygen. So to get More oxygen. We actually need the pressure to be able to do that. Am I understanding that correctly?
[00:12:13] Speaker C: Yes. So the pulse ox is measuring how many with the percentage of the red blood cell sites that are saturated with oxygen. It's not measuring anything in the plasma or the liquid, the bloodstream, at all. And so you can't measure that with a pulse ox. So if you go into a hyperbaric chamber and you're already like 98% on your pulse ox, it may measure. It likely will measure a hundred percent, but that's not giving you a full picture because you're not measuring with that exactly how much is in the plasma, which is a huge amount, more than was before.
[00:12:40] Speaker B: Now, when you're in a plane, okay, so there's less oxygen, but there's more pressure.
[00:12:45] Speaker C: Less pressure.
[00:12:46] Speaker B: There's. There's less. So what's that pressure feeling that we're feeling in our ears when we're in the plane?
[00:12:51] Speaker C: It's the change. It's the change in pressure you're feeling, and it's a change in pressure. You'll feel a pressurization change in your ears. Like if you're on an airplane or if you're on going under in a tunnel on a train, you feel that. That's a pressurization change. So that's what you feel. So in a, in a airplane, you are pressurized to 8,000ft above sea level. It is basically a hypobaric. Hypo barrack environment. And because it's a hypobaric environment, there's actually less oxygen in the air as a result of being at altitude. So if you come to, like I said, Colorado, and at 5,000ft here, instead of 21% oxygen in the air, it's about 16%. Okay. And so on an airplane at 8,000ft, you're getting about 15 or 14% oxygen compared to your 21% that you'd be getting at sea level.
[00:13:39] Speaker B: And that's why you feel fatigued when you. After you fly, because you're not getting enough oxygen.
[00:13:43] Speaker C: One of the reasons. Yeah, yeah. So one of the big reasons is that you're getting less oxygen than you're used to. So me, I live in Colorado. And so that delta, that change to go on an airplane is not as much as it is for somebody who's at 21% at sea level. So, yes, it's one of the main reasons, one of the big reasons why people get. Have a more propensity to get sick. They feel more fatigued when they get an airplane, etc. But since moving to Colorado, it's been much better for me overall, interestingly enough.
[00:14:10] Speaker B: So I want to talk about on label and off label uses for hyperbaric oxygen therapy.
You know, we can start with the on label uses, the ones that are covered by insurance companies. And then the interesting ones are really the off label ones that, where people have more chronic disease that we see. So the off label really more things that don't happen too often. But if you could go through those quickly and then I'm really interested in the off label uses.
[00:14:38] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, so really what it comes down to is that you have a flooding the body of a lot of oxygen. Right. And as a result of flooding the body with a lot of oxygen, you have like a number of things that are happening. So I think it's helpful to kind of understand like the physiology what's happening like underneath the hood before we get to the indications briefly. So what happens with all that oxygen circulation is that you're reversing low oxygen states. You're, you're rebuilding new blood vessels, you're decreasing inflammation, you're releasing stem cells which are these, like these baby cells in the body that can go anywhere to make new tissue. You're fighting infection, you're imp. Improving immune system function, you are improving lymphatic flow as well. So the, that's the short and brief that. But there's 14 indications that are covered by medical insurance, including things like radiation injury, a radiation injury that happened from radiation exposure from cancer treatment. You also have diabetic foot ulcers, sudden hearing loss, chronic bone wounds, and then also a lot of acute indications that would be done in a hospital. Outside of a hospital and outside of the medical side, we have about 50 different things that hyperbaric therapy has been shown to have significant potential to help with that are off label.
[00:15:42] Speaker B: So we're coming up to a break. We're talking with Dr. Scott Scher. We're talking about hyperbaric oxygen. Visit his website, One Base Health. We'll be right back.
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[00:19:00] Speaker B: This is open your eyes radio doctor One based health. We're talking about hyperbaric oxygen and we were talking about on label and off label. On label being things that could be covered, conditions that could be covered by insurance. But the real interesting ones are the off label, the off label conditions. Now, were there any on label? We were up against a break that you didn't mention that you think should be. That we should mention just in case, like, you know, like chemotherapy to help people that have chemo or something else?
[00:19:35] Speaker C: No, we actually cover them pretty briefly. I think the one that I would maybe just kind of double click on for a moment would be radiation injury. So a lot of patients are getting radiation for cancer treatment. And hyperbaric therapy has been used very successfully in patients that have had radiation exposure and then get wounds in the area where they've had radiation. Typically, we're not talking about acute radiation. We're talking about more a wound that happens in irradiated bed after multiple months and then has a difficult time healing. So it's fantastically helpful to rebuild. I like to say hyperbaric therapy rebuilds the scaffolding of tissue. It doesn't matter what kind of tissue. We have data that we rebuild brain, it can rebuild bone, it can rebuild cartilage, it can rebuild heart muscle, you know, and all these kinds of things. And so we know that it has this capacity. So that would be the only other piece on the on label side. The rest of them are really mostly treated in hospitals where I initially would train. But like you said, the main area where I focus as well is in the sometimes called off labels. I'm called sometimes called investigational indications that are covered by insurance in some countries, but not in the United States. Yes.
[00:20:37] Speaker B: So I said chemotherapy before, but I meant radiation. It does. But does it help with people who have side effects from chemotherapy or. Not really.
[00:20:45] Speaker C: It can. So that that kind of dovetails into the off label. So there's about seven or eight different ways hyperbaric therapy could be used in cancer synergy. And it's been studied as something that could be help that can synergize with and make chemotherapy more effective, make radiation therapy more effective. It can be combined with other types of alternative modalities like the ketogenic diet or IV vitamin C And like the sort of other oxidative therapies as we call them is a lady that if people are interested in they have cancer and they're want an integrative approach. I always recommend Dr. Nisha Winters and her ecosystem. Dr. Naca.com is her website. But I have a lot, there's a lot that we can do in cancer as well from like a surgical recovery perspective. You can make, you can have people recover faster from any kind of surgery, whether it's oncologic surgery or not. You can make them feel better if they're anemic, you can if they have low blood counts. You're going to feel better getting into a hyperbaric chamber as well. So there's a number of different ways in the cancer world itself to work with hyperbaric therapy.
[00:21:37] Speaker B: Let's talk about heart attacks and angiogenesis. There, there was a, there was an instrument called ECP enhanced external counterpoint.
And, and what that does as you know, builds collaterals around the heart instead of having a bypass or so to speak, a poor man's bypass, does it work as good as that? Which one works better? And can you compare the two?
[00:22:01] Speaker C: There's no comparison capable because nobody's ever done the research here but ECP the would be the way I would go under most circumstances. We do know that the, from, from some of the research that what hyperbaric therapy can do is rebuild the vascularization of the heart. But we don't have data on specifically on angina and blockages and collateralization. We just don't have that data. But they did some interesting studies on increasing something called your VO2 max using hyperbaric therapy. So your VO2 max is basically how much oxygen you can use on a minute to minute basis. And it's a significant indicator for like longevity and health span and those kinds of things. And so that has been shown to improve using hyperbaric protocols specifically.
[00:22:44] Speaker B: And how about ewat? Can you explain ewat and how does that compare to hyperbaric oxygen?
[00:22:50] Speaker C: So exercise with oxygen therapy, EWAT has been around for a long time. There are some initial papers that were done in the 1980s and before that that haven't really been replicated. So we really don't have a good sense of the data and really what's happening in that kind of environment. I do think that EWOK can be helpful from an oxygen delivery perspective if you can do exercise. The difference with hyperbaric therapy is that not only are you getting the oxygen when you're in the Chamber, you're getting much more oxygen in the chamber than you could get using an exercise with oxygen therapy bike. And also these sort of downstream effects of being in hyperbaric chamber that we don't really think are happening with the bike. And I, when I use the bike, I use the e wat and the bike in sort of interchangeable because typically people are on a bike using it. I use that a lot in my performance. Athletes and people that are looking to improve their VO2 max. But the sort of downstream effects of hyperbaric therapy from that are much, are much, much greater because you work on something called your epigenetics with hyperbaric therapy. And that's how your DNA is being expressed. That's genes that are expressed various ways. Like our genetic code is stable for the most part, but how the genes are expressed changes over our lifetime. And hyperbaric therapy helps the expression of over about 8,000 different genes. And EWAT doesn't have any of that research or data. Those genes are responsible for growth, for decreasing inflammation, for preventing cells from dying. And so your longevity, your health span, we have data there on iverbaric. We don't have it with you.
[00:24:12] Speaker B: Talk to me about stroke and hyperbaric oxygen therapy.
[00:24:16] Speaker C: So stroke is an injury where you have a blockage of a blood vessel in the brain. Everything after that blood vessel is blockage starts dying off. Okay, and that's obviously not good. Your brain's kind of important, every single millimeter for real estate. And so hyperbaric therapy can do is actually help rebuild a lot of that tissue that's behind that blockage. Because it's not like if you think about this, if you throw a rock into a still lake, right, you have the direct impact of that rock itself. And that's where the stroke has actually caused the most injury in this case. But the ripples area is where the area has been injured but not dead. And what hyperbaric therapy can do is rebuild that rippled area, which is much larger by dimension compared to the area of direct impact. So if you can rebuild that sort of. It's called the peri ischemic area, or the area around a major area of destruction, you can see significant improvements in patients outcomes. So there have been a number of studies that have looked at this. 3 months to 3 years post stroke was probably the best study that was done in Israel. And they showed that people got their movement back, they got their speech back, they got their, you know, their cognitive capacity back. And this has been my clinical experience. When I get the Chance, the sooner the better. Getting them into a chamber after a stroke, absolutely. That's not always easy to do. Certainly you have to make sure people are stabilized and go to the hospital and rehab, all those kinds of things. But it's creating combination with those kinds of things. And so my big thing oftentimes is that it's not just about going into the hyperbaric chamber, like what are you doing before, what are you doing, even during, what are you doing after? And in stroke patients, like they can even be doing rehab inside the chamber. Sometimes they have them doing their occupational therapy, working with their hands, or doing serial counting down from 7, from 100, which is terribly frustrating for most people. But you can use these kinds of things inside the chamber because we know in the chamber people have more capacity because they have more oxygen around.
[00:26:04] Speaker B: Interesting. Now, you mentioned stem cells before. Explain how hyperbaric oxygen can increase stem cells and why that's important, what stem cells do.
[00:26:13] Speaker C: So stem cells are released because of the high oxygen load that's going into the, into the system itself. And that creates a stress in the system that tells the bone marrow where the stem cells are made to start releasing into circulation. Stem cells can be released exponentially using hyperbaric therapy. And what happens with those stem cells is they go to areas of the body where it's required, whether it's inflammation, whether it's degeneration and, or infection in some cases, and they can help regenerate the tissue in that particular area. So we have stem cells also in our brain. Those get mobilized with hyperbaric therapy and we have again, those stem cells that are systemic as well. So stem cells are really, really important as a way to regenerate and revitalize our tissue.
[00:26:51] Speaker B: Talk to me about TBI and concussion and long term people who have had long term, have had long term concussion.
[00:27:00] Speaker C: So it's a kind of a similar discussion with stroke in a lot of ways. But we absolutely know that hyperbaric therapy here can be fantastically effective even years after a traumatic brain injury. But the sooner the better. They done us they did a study on severe TBI in patients that were hospitalized. They were on ventilators. They just gave them three hyperbaric sessions, the first three days when they're in the icu and their mortality rate, their, their risk of death was 50% less. So that was just three hyperbaric sessions over three days. And they're looking to actually replicate that trial now. But if you've had a concussion, traumatic brain injury, which is the same thing for Three months, three years, you can still see significant benefit because we can re oxygenate the brain, we can revitalize that tissue. It's not like you go in one or two times into the chamber, though. Like, when you have a chronic issue, it takes 20, 40, sometimes 60 hyperbaric sessions and sometimes even maintenance over longer periods of time to see the benefits. It's not like you just go in the chamber once and you see the benefit. And that's, that's important because if it's an acute issue of something that happened, you know, yesterday or like in the last week or two, like, you can see a significant benefit with just a few hyperbaric sessions. But if it's been going on a long time, you have to rebuild that scaffolding of that tissue and that's, that epigenetic modifications, that's the expression of the DNA changing. And that takes more time. That takes, you know, five days a week, hyperbaric therapy for 20, 30, 40, sometimes more hyperbaric sessions. And it's also important to remember that if you have a chronic issue, that hyperbaric therapy is likely not going to be the only thing that you need to do. Like, if you need to think about it, like, if you're, if you're smoking cigarettes or you're drinking alcohol every day, you're not taking care of yourself with, you know, lifestyle behaviors, you're likely not going to see the benefits that you want to see as well. With some of these chronic things that people come in with and talk about.
[00:28:44] Speaker B: Post concussion syndrome, you mentioned it a little bit. And P.S.
pTSD from Vietnam veterans, there's been some who had terrible nightmares. Can you talk about some of those research studies and some or some clinical things that you've seen?
[00:29:02] Speaker C: Well, I think what you're referring to is there is, and I've talked about it before, my first couple years of doing hyperbaric medicine, I worked with a Vietnam veteran. He was fully disabled with the VA, 100% disability because of PTSD and nightmares. And he came to get hyperbaric therapy. And after about two weeks, his nightmares completely stopped and they never came back after he finished a full protocol of hyperbaric therapy. And so a lot of PTSD that we see at least from the military also has concomitant TBI as well. Blast injuries, even if they weren't even close to the blast, even some of that pressure wave blast aspect can actually cause severe or even mild to moderate shearing of blood vessels and cause micro bubbles and things like that. So, you know, post Concussion syndrome. What that really encompasses is anybody that has concussion symptoms that last three months or longer. And typically when somebody goes to a hyperbaric facility, they've, that's kind of what they're, they're already coming as a result of having symptoms that don't go away. I would love people to come in earlier to get treated because they would likely have better and faster improvements. But you still see significant benefit three months to even, you know, three years or longer later.
[00:30:19] Speaker B: You know, I have a patient who was in a car accident about three or four years ago and they, they've been, they've told her that she'll never be the same. And I recommended, you know, hyperbaric oxygen.
Is there a possibility for improvement after three or four years? I'm up against the break and I want you to think about that over the break and we'll come back with that. I'm speaking with Dr. Scott Shearer, Director of Integrative Hyperbaric Medicine and health optimization one based health. You're listening to Wellness 1280 on Open youn Eyes radio with Dr. Kerry Gelb. We'll be right back.
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[00:33:57] Speaker B: This is Dr. Kerry Gelb for Open youn Eyes Radio. We're back with Dr. Scott Scherr. Look for my podcast that's released every Monday morning on all podcast platforms and watch our documentary Open your eyes documentary on Apple TV, Amazon prime and YouTube movies and shows. So before the break we were talking with Dr. Scherer about post concussive syndrome. I was telling about a patient of mine who had a was in a bad car accident four or five years ago. She actually seems pretty fine to me. I mean just talking to her. But she obviously has brain fog and doesn't it doesn't feel great and she's been told by neurologists that you'll never be the same. Is it possible with hyperbaric oxygen? Of course this is theoretical, but her to make improvement and get closer, to get closer back to the way she was. Even though it was four or five years ago, the car accident, I mean.
[00:34:48] Speaker C: I've certainly seen significant benefits even that many years later. I mean, just talking about the Vietnam veteran, right, he had injuries and blast exposure back in the 1970s and I was seeing him in like 2014. Right. So 20, 30 years later, you can still see benefits in some patients. What you mostly see as you get further away from the injury is more a potential cognitive improvements and less on any motor disturbances. So this is especially important, of course, if you've had a stroke. But even if it's a severe TBI and you have like axonal injury where you have issues with muscle or movement or something like that, those are very unlikely to come back, you know, that many years later. But my thing always with these kinds of patients, Carrie, is like, is what are we doing to help foundationally help these patients overall? Because most of the time with this kind of long term injury, they're going to have issues with cellular energy production, detoxification, inflammation, things that, you know, need to be addressed, I think to have the most robust response. And that's what I do in clinical practice. I work with people doing like a foundational kind of testing program looking at vitamins, minerals, nutrients and co factors and gut health and neurotransmitters and hormones, if I can. Because that really does give you a better sense of what's going on. And one of the sort of the leaders in this world in the traumatic brain injury and hormone and neuroinflammation is a guy named Dr. Mark Gordon. He's based in Southern California and Texas and he wrote the first book on what he called interventional endocrinology, which is basically hormone optimization. And he specifically works with TBI with veterans. That's mostly his group. But just to give a little bit of a sense of the bigger perspective.
[00:36:18] Speaker B: There, when you're going, somebody has this. Are stem cells being released in the brain to help cause regeneration?
[00:36:25] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. Hyperbaric therapy is mobilizing brain derived or brain housed stem cells for the capacity for those to go to parts of the brain to help healing. And it also helps the maturing of various types of brain cells that are kind of in this. They're not stem cells, but they're called something called progenitor cells. But basically cells that have already been decided what kind of cell they want to be, but they are not, you know, not fully that cell until they're stimulated to do so. And so hyperbaric therapy can do that. And the really cool thing is that we actually have now visualizations of these kinds of things with things like functional mri. So it's a type of MRI where you can look at the metabolic activity of the brain and see what's happening. And so we can see the regrowth of blood vessels, we can see tissue come back to life, which is super amazing. And so you can see the regrowth of blood vessels in the brain, around the heart, you know, and around organs if they've been injured. And even in the general area, there's a good study showing that hyperbaric therapy, a longer protocol, a protocol of 40 or so sessions, can increase blood flow to the, to and improve erections as well. So one of my favorite lecture slides to show is an MRI of a penis before and after hyperbaric therapy and talk about how, you know, a little bit of oxygen goes a long way.
[00:37:39] Speaker B: So I was, I was watching your lecture and my 14 year old son and I had him come in, I said, what do you think that is? And of course a 14 year old got it right away he goes, that's what he did.
[00:37:49] Speaker C: Well, amazing. I haven't asked many 14 year olds.
[00:37:53] Speaker B: If you ask a 40 year old, they won't get it. But a 14 year old, if you ask a 14, a 40 year old neurosurgeon, they won't get it. But a 14 year old high school kid will get it.
[00:38:02] Speaker C: Anytime I get to say penis in front of an audience, it's a good day because it makes people think for a second more about what I'm talking about. So it's good.
[00:38:08] Speaker B: I want to ask you about spinal stenosis. I have a patient, she's an elderly patient, she can't very good. She has to use a walker and she has spinal stenosis. Do you think she could get some recovery and be able to walk again or walk better with hyperbaric oxygen?
[00:38:23] Speaker C: So the challenge here is that hyperbaric therapy is not going to fix any anatomy in the sense of if there's a stenotic spinal cord coming from the back, it's. Hyperbaric therapy is not going to help with that. Now in osteoarthritis, people with arthritis have seen significant benefit in patients with other kinds of herniations in the back. I actually have seen benefit because there is, if there's an inflammatory component to the, the, the, the injury, no matter where it is, hyperbaric therapy is going to help with that. It's been shown in various Studies that hyperbaric therapy is as powerful as steroids at decreasing inflammation. So the challenge is just to understand how much of an inflammatory component your patient has. And you would only know by doing hyperbaric therapy and seeing if it helped her. Now, I always say this. There's always going to be additional added benefits of going into a hyperbaric chamber. Things that we've been describing here before from a longevity perspective, from an overall inflammatory perspective. If somebody came to me today and your patient, I would like, I would not go into hyperbaric therapy specifically hoping that spinal stenosis would improve, but it could, and there will be some additional, you know, side benefits that you'd benefit that you'd see going in the chamber.
[00:39:22] Speaker B: So a patient that's had an ulcer, an elderly man has an ulcer, is he has bad anemia, Hemoglobin is way down, ulcers improve, but he can't get the hemoglobin all the way back up to where it should be, in the 12 range, you know, still hovering around 9, 8, 9, still very tired. Could hyperbaric oxygen help somebody like that?
[00:39:43] Speaker C: It would help him temporarily, right? Because it would saturate his liquid bloodstream with oxygen. And so for a couple hours, maybe even longer than that, he would feel better. It would not be something that would raise his blood counts. On its, on. On its own, with hyperbaric therapy, it just gives you a temporary lift and. But that could be pretty significant. So I use that in elite athletes for training, for example. You also see that the ability to utilize oxygen, to use oxygen in your cells seems to go up for about 24 hours or so after you go into a hyperbaric chamber. So there are some benefits there, but not specifically for the red blood cell number.
[00:40:17] Speaker B: And you mentioned sports performance, people that any problem with kids doing it, you know, teenagers, to increase sports to do better. And is there any restriction as far as athletes doing this? So now the Yankees are playing the Dodgers in the World Series. Can we stick some of the Yankees in there so they could do a little better?
[00:40:35] Speaker C: No, I want them to lose. I'm just kidding. I'm a fan, so what can I do?
You're a dodger fan, I'm a Mets fan.
So by way of I'm going to root for the Dodgers because I grew up on Long island, right? So, no, we use hyperbaric therapy a ton in athletes. And it's a lot of it's for recovery and a lot of it's for, you know, getting, getting. Not only just sort of day to day recovery, but also recovery from injury as well. So we work with certain. I've worked with soccer teams, I've worked with various NFL players over the years, work with lots of different individuals in different sports.
And the key to understand, I guess a little bit is what type of chamber that people are using. There's different types of chambers out there. They're mild units that go to mild pressure. There are more medical grade chambers that go to deeper pressures. And so it kind of depends on the situation. But in general, from a day to day operations, getting better recovery, jet lag performance, you can use the mild chambers to do that. But overall, for more systemic, more, you know, more condition based management that's outside the brain and the spinal cord, you needed the deep pressures to be able to do that.
[00:41:37] Speaker B: And I want to get into the different chambers in a little bit. But a couple of things I want to talk about neurodegenerative disease, Parkinson's, for example. Let's talk Parkinson's and then go to Alzheimer's. How can we help our Parkinson's patients?
[00:41:50] Speaker C: I mean, it's all kind of similar to me, like from a neurologic presentation, if you have neurocognitive degeneration, there's something underlying that's going on here. Right. That's causing this or at least contributing to this. There's certainly controversy as to what causes Alzheimer's, what causes Parkinson's. I think there's a lot more interest now and research that there are certain types of gut bacteria, for example, that are associated with these particular conditions. So we know that there could be an infectious component to this for some people. And there is a researcher named Dale Bredesen, wrote a book called the end of Alzheimer's.
[00:42:23] Speaker B: He's great.
[00:42:24] Speaker C: Oh, great. Yeah. And he has about, he has the, you know, he has the proposal. There's like four or five different types of Alzheimer's disease, one being type 3 diabetes. So it's blood sugar related. You know, Parkinson's I've seen from, you know, from things like chemical exposures and also from brain injuries in the past too. So. But what I'm trying to kind of get here is that I think hyperbaric therapy can be very helpful because it can reoccinate the brain, it can help with new blood vessels, it can help decrease inflammation, but it's going to be temporary. If you're not also looking at what else you can do to optimize this patient. So that's when it looks, when looking at, under the hood, vitamins Minerals, nutrients, gut, health behaviors, lifestyle, diet, supplementation. This is all really important. So if somebody comes to see me in my. In my virtual clinic and consults with me and say, hey, Doc, I want to get my. My mom in to the Chamber for Alzheimer's, I'm like, well, she has mild cognitive impairment or something. I'm like, well, 90% of what I talked about with that, with that particular person has nothing to do with hyperbaric therapy, because hyperbaric therapy is not going to be helpful over the long term for sure. And in the short term, with a hyperbaric protocol, it may only be temporarily helpful and not even to the effect that I would hope, because if you're not doing the other stuff, you know, and it can be hard to get older people to change. I know that. But if that's really where the power is for those kinds of conditions, alongside using hyperbaric therapy to synergize with them.
[00:43:39] Speaker B: There's a fireman I know who's starting to get Parkinson recently diagnosed. He's doing liposomal glutathione. Do you think zeolite would help along with hyperbaric oxygen or all this type of detoxification?
[00:43:54] Speaker C: It could, right? I mean, you're already on the right track with a sense of, if he's a firefighter, a lot of chemical exposures. So trying to understand what those are, how to help detox can be great. Liposophical glutathione is a great idea too. And then hyperbaric therapy could be helpful. It's just hard to know right. From my experience where hyperbaric therapy has been most helpful in Parkinson's specifically, has been in the cognitive decline that can happen with Parkinson's, and not so much in the sort of the motor symptoms, the face, the shuffling. I haven't seen as much on that side. What I've seen be most beneficial. There is the foundational work that you're kind of describing on the detoxification side and understanding that more for the motor side.
[00:44:36] Speaker B: Have you had any luck with anything that you've used, like liposomal glutathione or zeolite?
What have you used that you've had good luck with Parkinson's patients?
[00:44:47] Speaker C: Yeah. What is his name? I'm trying to think. There's a. There's a neurologist that used to practice in Florida. He was giving IV glutathione to his patients and then using hyperbaric therapy.
[00:44:58] Speaker B: And David Perlmutter. You're talking about Perlmutter?
[00:45:01] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. So Perlmutter was doing that. So he was using ibiglutathione and seeing fantastic benefits from a motor symptom perspective in a lot of his patients. So that's the one thing that I've seen. And then if you have toxic exposures and you detox from those, you see their symptoms get better too.
[00:45:16] Speaker B: This is Dr. Kerry Gelb. We're speaking with Dr. Scott Scher. He's the director of Integrative Hyperbaric Medicine and Health Optimization. One Based Health is his website. We'll be right back.
[00:45:30] Speaker A: I went to the eye doctor the other day with my daughter Maggie. I was shocked when the doctor told me that my daughter was already becoming nearsighted. It turns out that this problem affects more than 40% of Americans. My eye doctor thinks this disease is getting worse. Perhaps it's getting worse because of kids prolonged time spent playing with smartphones or maybe because kids now spend less time outside. My genetics probably aren't helping her a whole lot being nearsighted myself. But the good news is that the doctor told me about a new FDA approved product called MySite. This specific one day contact is already worn by thousands of children in the US it is proven to slow down the progression of nearsightedness. And best of all, Maggie loves these contact lenses. The doctor taught her how to use them. Now it is so exciting to see her have even more success in the classroom and when she plays sports. I Recommend you visit openyoureyesradio.com to find an eye doctor that specializes in this treatment program. Learn
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[00:47:29] Speaker A: I went to the eye doctor the other day with my daughter Maggie. I was shocked when the doctor told me that my daughter was already becoming nearsighted. It turns out that this problem affects more than 40% of Americans. My eye doctor thinks this disease is getting worse. Perhaps it's getting worse because of kids prolonged time spent playing with smartphones or maybe because kids now spend less time outside. My genetics probably aren't helping her a whole lot being nearsighted myself. But the good news is that the doctor told me about a new FDA approved product called My Sight. This specific one day contact lens is already worn by thousands of children in the US it has proven to slow down the progression of nearsightedness. And best of all, Maggie loves these contact lenses. The doctor taught her how to use them. Now it is so exciting to see her have even more success in the classroom and when she plays sports. I Recommend you visit openyoureyesradio.com to find an eye doctor that specializes in this treatment program. Learn
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[00:48:33] Speaker B: Scherr, Director of Integrative Hyperbaric Medicine and Health Optimization one based health this is podcast Learn all about hyperbaric oxygen is his is his website. You can learn all about hyperbaric oxygen from his website. This is Dr. Kerry Gelb for Open your Eyes Radio and I want to talk to you about senescent cells which are very effective in hyperbaric oxygen. There was a study where 37% decrease in senescent cells. Why are senescent cells or these zombie cells dangerous to the body and why do we want to get rid of.
[00:49:05] Speaker C: Senescent cells are as you said al otherwise known as zombie cells in the lay press. And the reason, the reason why I called they're called zombie cells is that they're still alive kind of but they don't really serve a function from the for the host and they don't die very easily. And as a result of this they cause inflammation, they're associated with inflammation, degeneration with cancer, just with all, you know, kinds of badness. And as we get older, we get more of these senescent cells, populations go up. And so it's a very significant indicator for aging the more senescent cells that you have. And so there was a study that did look at senescent cells using hyperbaric therapy and saw that decline, as you said so of 37% decline in senescent cells, which is huge. And I Haven't seen anything like that in any other literature when it comes to any other therapies out there. So we want to get rid of senescent cells. And, and there's a lot of interest in this. There's a lot. A lot of these senolytic compounds out there. So senolytic drugs, these are synolytic means like senescent cell killing drug and. Or supplements. So you have things like fisetin and quercetin that people have heard of before. You have things like rapamycin, which is a drug that's used as in chemotherapy, but also at low dose is being used to kill some of these senescent cells. So it's a very big market now looking at senescent cells.
[00:50:24] Speaker B: Yeah, sensors could turn into cancer cells, so that's why we're with them. And it increases telomere length by 20%. You could talk about that for a second.
[00:50:32] Speaker C: So the same study that looked at senescent cells also looked at telomere length with hyperbaric therapy. This was a pretty significant study for a lot of reasons because they use the same population to look at multiple different markers. But to be clear, this was. They used a medical chamber. They went to 2 atmospheres, which is equivalent about 33ft of seawater. They had them go in the chamber five days a week for three months. And so it's not a small amount of time to do this, but they saw a increase in telomere length, they saw the senescent cell population go down, et cetera. But my clinical experience here is that you don't have to do that many sessions to see the benefit. Like, 30 to 40 sessions is probably more appropriate for most people, as long as they're doing other things to help optimize their health. If you're going to McDonald's every day, if you're drinking alcohol every day, if you're not drinking water, if you're eating processed foods, if you're. If you're having lots of sugar all the time, I can promise you that whatever benefits you see in a chamber are not going to last very long if you don't make some changes there, too.
[00:51:30] Speaker B: And you mentioned before, there's improvement in sexual function because of the increase in.
[00:51:35] Speaker C: Oxygen and rebuilding of blood vessels. Yeah.
[00:51:39] Speaker B: So tell me about how somebody's listening to this and they wanted. Get this done. They want to go for hyperbaric oxygen therapy. How do they do this? How do they find this? I mean, do they have to go to a hospital? They have the big. The big one or could they go to these, these pop up centers where they do IV drips and have hyperbaric oxygen? How do they, how do they get this and what should they look for?
[00:52:01] Speaker C: So it depends on the reason why they're thinking about hyperbaric therapy. Right. And in general, the, the milder units, the one you find at spas and, and you know, these out, these, some of these outpatient clinics that are soft sided, those are more for neurocognitive optimization, so for your brain and also for like what I would call day to day operations, like a little bit of recovery, a little bit of energy, a little bit of wellness, you know, those kinds of things. But if you have a medical condition or if you're looking for longevity and health span, then you're really looking at the deeper chambers. And if it's a medical grade chamber, you can find them in outpatient clinics. There's a ton of them around the United States. There's some in, in Minneapolis I'm aware of. I have colleagues that are in New York and Florida. And I mean anywhere around the country you can find hyperbaric chambers at these medical types of chambers that usually go to, about the medical units go to about 3 atmospheres, but you usually use them between 1.8 and 2.4 pressure, which is again that 33ft of seawater pressure is kind of what we're looking at for a lot of different things from a longevity perspective. So a lot of it depends on what you're looking for. Like if you're looking for, you know, general like wellness and like day to day operations with a little bit of recovery, a little bit of energy. And the soft sided units can be good alongside the soft side of units could be good if you have a traumatic brain injury or a stroke or something like that that's going on in your brain. But outside of that, it's better to have a deeper pressure chamber that could potentially go to like the 2.0 or 2.4 for more deeper systemic oxygenation.
[00:53:17] Speaker B: So the deeper ones, so the, so the less deep ones we could use with Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, stroke, tbi. But for the.
[00:53:27] Speaker C: You can, you can. But I say that with a little bit of hesitation because sometimes it's not enough pressure for patients in that, in that, in that, with those conditions. But that's typically where I would start with their pressure somewhere between 1.3 and 1.5 atmospheres. And then if they don't do better over a period of time, I may increase their pressure from there.
[00:53:45] Speaker B: So what Kind of conditions do you need? 2.0 and higher? Sorry, what kind of conditions would you need? 2.0 and higher.
[00:53:52] Speaker C: So all the conditions that are covered by medical insurance are 2.0 or higher. All the conditions that are investigational, outside the brain or spinal cord do better at 1.8 to 2.4 if possible.
[00:54:04] Speaker B: So if we're looking for brain, so Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, stroke and somebody. How much should somebody be look to pay when they're going for this for, you know, say they need 60 sessions or 30 sessions. How much is a general range of cost for something like this?
[00:54:20] Speaker C: For a soft chamber, it's going to be around 75 to 125 a session. For a hard chamber medical grade, it's going to be anywhere between like 150, 180 to 300 a session if it's gonna be paid out of pocket. So it's not an inexpensive procedure or a therapy to get done because you're going in five days a week for 30 sessions, 40 sessions. You guys can do the math that are listening. So that's why it's so important to leverage it when you're also doing other things to optimize your health and not just thinking hyperbaric therapy is going to be the only thing that's going to help you. And that's, that's really what I always emphasize to the people that I work with is like, let's make this investment worth your time and money.
[00:54:56] Speaker B: And if somebody wanted to buy one for the house, it's somewhere between 5,000 and 20,000 for the house.
[00:55:02] Speaker C: If it's a soft sided unit on the very cheap side, you can get a $5,000 chamber. On the higher end, it's about 20, $25,000 for a soft chamber at the house. You can also get a hard chamber for the house. Now a medical grade unit that goes to 2.0, they're, they're made a little bit differently for the home. They're, they're safer. And that range is anywhere between like 40 and 150, 000 depending on the type of chamber you get.
[00:55:25] Speaker B: So a company you work with, transcriptions, they do methylene blue and troches.
[00:55:32] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:55:33] Speaker B: Explain to me, we got about three minutes, three and a half minutes left. What a trophy is and what, what the benefits of methylene blue and how that could help the listeners.
[00:55:41] Speaker C: Yeah, to give the context, like in my integrative practice, I'm always thinking about what you can do before, during and after hyperbaric therapy. To optimize the experience, to make it better, to make it so that people have a better outcome. And one of the main things that I always look at is how well they can make energy. Because if you're giving a lot of oxygen to the system, you have to be able to make energy with that oxygen and you have to be able to detox after you make energy, because energy always comes at a cost. It comes at a cost of making free radicals or oxidative stress and things like that. So methylene blue actually helps in both fronts. It helps with increasing energy and also increase with detoxification. And it's been around a long time.
[00:56:14] Speaker B: Excuse me. Hyperbaric oxygen is big for making energy through mitochondria. Increasing mitochondria. Is that correct? Just to go.
[00:56:22] Speaker C: That is correct. However, it only will do that if you have the vitamins, minerals and nutrients and co factors to be able to actually harness and make energy with that oxygen. And a lot of people have mitochondria that aren't working very well because of everything you can think of from toxins, infections, medications, et cetera. So what methylene blue can do is help help support the processes in the mitochondria work better. So you can make energy better and you can detox better. So we use low doses of it before hyperbaric therapy. I use it low doses in a lot of people, even if they're not getting into chambers, because it can help reverse or mitigate and compensate for a lot of mitochondrial disorder.
[00:56:58] Speaker B: What are the benefits are there of methylene blue?
[00:57:02] Speaker C: So the keys there is that low doses improve mitochondrial function. So if, if you have chronic fatigue, if you have, if you have a chronic infection, if you have chronic pain and you have chronic, you know, if you're taking medications or your infections and things that help that will be affecting your mitochondria. You have brain fog, you have concentration problems, you have problems with cardiac issues, you have liver detoxification issues. If you have a hard time getting pregnant because of fertility, you have tons of mitochondria in those areas. In fact, the most mitochondria per cell are in ovaries and sperm as well. So that's one of the reasons why the fertility rates are going down dramatically, is because mitochondria aren't working very well. Now, methylene, but can help all of that in the sense of making that mitochondria work better. Now, certainly hyperbaric therapy can help as well. And so. But the challenge with hyperbaric therapy I found over the years is that if you're doing a lot of it in patients and you're not thinking about the mitochondria and supporting it, sometimes you don't get the benefits that you think you're going to get. So methylene blue has this capacity at these low doses to do that and then at high doses it's actually an anti infectant. So it works against infection. It's a fantastic antiviral. It's been, it's been used for over 100 years in things with fungal infections, bacterial infections, especially urinary tract infections as well.
[00:58:12] Speaker B: And transcriptions has troches. Explain what a troche is.
[00:58:15] Speaker C: A trochee is a dissolvable lozenge that goes between your upper cheek and gum. They can be swallowed as well. But the nice thing about a lozenge here is that it actually dissolves faster into the system and so it gets quickly into the bloodstream so it works faster and it doesn't get broken down by digestion in the liver, which can degrade things over time. Now methylene blue is highly bioavailable, which means it gets through the system very easily. So a dissolvable lozenge with methylene blue is going to be very blue in your mouth. If you don't want a blue mouth, you can just swallow it too. That's okay.
[00:58:41] Speaker B: And is there back to, back to hyperbaric oxygen real quick. Any side effects that we have to worry about?
[00:58:48] Speaker C: So hyperbaric therapy, the main things that you know, if you have any lung disease, like severe, you know, like copd, emphysema, it can be dangerous to go in the chamber. If you have cardiac disease with a, with a heart function that's, that's really severely depressed. If you have a seizure disorder that's not controlled, if you're pregnant, if you have a fever, there's a bunch of things that you have to think about. But in general it's very easy to screen off. Most people are very safe to get into the chamber.
[00:59:09] Speaker B: I'm speaking with Dr. Scott Scher. I want to thank him for joining me today. Dr. Scher, if people want to find out more about you, how could they do it?
[00:59:16] Speaker C: So you can check out a couple different websites. Integrative hbot.com that's where I do most of my consulting around the world with clinics and individuals that are interested in hyperbaric therapy. Also onebasehealth.com that's my company that creates hyperbaric technology and other technology and then transcriptions.com if people are interested in the methylene group.
[00:59:33] Speaker B: Dr. Scott Scherk, thank you for joining me today. I really appreciate it. And thank you for all your knowledge. This is Dr. Kerry Gell for Open your Eyes Radio.
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