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[00:00:38] Speaker B: Good morning. I'm Doctor Kerry Gelb, and welcome to Wellness 1280 on open your eyes radio. Please listen as we discuss the newest information in the world of health, nutrition, sports, every Saturday morning 06:00 a.m. central time on am 1280. The Patriot. Also, please share your thoughts by emailing
[email protected] that's drkerry mail.com and visit my new website, wellness 1280 dot. That's wellness 1280 dot, where we have all guest links, wellness 1280 info and previous shows. We're back with Doctor Joseph Pirzano. We had an incredible conversation about environmental toxins, something that people really don't know a lot about but is a contributor to many diseases such as cancer, diabetes, which we talked about last week, cancer and diabetes, heart disease, Alzheimer's and Parkinson's, which we're going to try to talk about this week, kidney disease. And we're with Doctor Joseph Pisano. He's the founding president of Bastille University. He's an MD. He's the author of many books, six textbooks for doctors, books for the public. His most recent book, Healthy Bones, healthy you that he writ with his lovely wife. And if you want to get his book, please go to Amazon and you can get his book. Doctor Pirzano, thank you for rejoining me today.
[00:01:58] Speaker C: Thanks for inviting me. Love to have conversation.
[00:02:00] Speaker B: You know, I just love talking about this because I have this desire to help people, and people learning about this can really help them. And last week we were talking about toxins. I want to ask about PCB, something that's not, that has been banned, I believe, since 1977, but I believe it's still in the salmon, that farm salmon that people eat.
And another name for farm salmon is Atlantic salmon. But correct me if I'm wrong and tell me about is PCB still a problem?
[00:02:37] Speaker C: When we look at toxins, people tend to think about either metal or chemical. And while that's useful, there's a more clinically beneficial way of looking at them. Persistent versus non persistent so non persistent toxin means y can get rid of it pretty easily. So bisphenol A is a good example of non persistent toxin. Stop exposing yourself to bisphenol A and within a week, it's all gone out of the body. But the persistent. So non persistent toxins take hours today to get rid of. Persistent toxins have half lives, measured in months to years to even decades. And that's where we get to the PCB's hugely problematic. So PCB's are what I call polychlorinated biphenyls. So in general, a lot of these synthetic chemicals are used in pesticides and industrial uses of herbicides and such. They put what's called a halogen onto an organic compound. So halogen is fluorine or chlorine or bromine or things of this nature. It turns out that the body has very limited ability to detoxify halogenated compounds. So PCB's are basically organic chemicals with lots of chlorines in them. They have half lives in humans ranging from two years to 20 years. Two decades. Half life is how long it takes to get it out of the body. Get half the toxin out of the body. Toxicologists define four half lives as necessary to get rid of something. So if you go to a local restaurant and you eat the farm fish on the menu in the local restaurant, the PCB's in that farm fish will likely be in your body for the rest of your life. Why is that problematic? Well, those PCB's do things like cause rheumatoid arthritis in women. Okay. So there's all these disease after disease. That's increased when people exposed to PCB's. Best way to avoid PCB's, never ever eat farm fish, period.
Nowhere around it, don't eat farm fish.
[00:04:29] Speaker B: Is there any way to get it out of the body?
You know, we're going to talk about that later.
[00:04:33] Speaker C: Yes. So there are two main ways to get out of the body, and something we probably should talk about is how does the body get rid of toxins? Turns out sweating or soreness is one of the most effective way to get PCB's out of the body. These things are so difficult to get rid of. The body kind of sequesters them away. And when the body starts sweating, that opens up a pathway for detoxification. The other way is fiber.
The problem with many of these toxins is that while the body goes through a lot of trouble to either detoxify them or bind them to other chemicals and excrete them out into the gut and get rid of them through the stools. Well, those systems are developing the body when we eat a lot of fiber because by expecting once the liver gets riveted, to combine the fiber in the gut and get it out of the body. Well, as we evolved as a species, as we evolved these detoxification systems, we're consuming 100 to 150 grams of fiber a day. Now we're only consuming 15 to 20 grams of fiber a day. So it turns out one of the best ways to get rid of PCB's to simply increase amount of fiber being taken. And not only will that help get rid of pcvs and get rid of a lot of other toxins as well. And of course, your gut is way healthier when you're consuming more fiber.
[00:05:45] Speaker B: And what's the best way to get fiber? What would you recommend?
[00:05:48] Speaker C: Well, whole foods, beans, for example. Beans. Whole grains are very, very good source seeds, very good sources of fiber. Now, if you want, you can also take supplemental fibers. And that just comes down to what's most convenient for a person or things of this nature.
[00:06:05] Speaker B: You know, it's really amazing that it's linked to rheumatoid arthritis because a lot of people have rheumatoid arthritis especially. We see it in the, in the eye, you know, as eye doctors, because, you know, they're on plaquenel and we have to check their eyes to see if they have immaculate damage. So LEt's talk about phthalates and the dangers of phthalates and what they use for, I mean, other than maybe fragrances. I know they consider plasticizers, but, and talk about how they could disrupt androgens and phthalates in general as a problem.
[00:06:39] Speaker C: So phthalates are a really interesting group of chemicals, and you can understand why they use so broadly because one of the things they do is they help have things that are oil and water soluble work together more effectively. It's kind of like an emollient. So that's one reason why it's used in so many health and beauty AIDS, because it helps keep all the ingredients together. So it's also often described as a solvent for fragrances.
So it has a lot of uses for that. So that's not only why you see on Healthy butylates, but then on plastics. So the Plasticizers have two roles. One is they help make the plastic rigid. They also help make the Plastic soft or flexible, you might say. So they tend to use both bisphenols and phthalates in order to get that balance of rigidity and flexibility appropriately set up. Now, the problem with the body is these phthalates do things like bind to insulin receptor sites. And have people have increased risk for diabetes.
Anyway, I can keep talking.
[00:07:43] Speaker B: I just talk about also blocking the testosterone in men.
[00:07:48] Speaker C: So there's a graph I like to show people. And it shows on the one axis. The amount of phthalates in a person's body. Measuring in the urine what the body is getting rid of. And the other axis is showing, well, what are they using? So you look at someone like me, who uses no health imbutanese whatsoever. I have really low phallus. I know that because I just measured. Okay, low phthalates. But then you add lotion and you add deodorant. And then you add mouthwash and then you add hair gel. Start adding all these healthy butanes we're talking about. It goes from no phthalates to more phthalates. To 300 times as much phthalates in the body of a person using all these healthy beauty aids. The six in the men and the twelve in the women.
These super high levels. Almost all coming from healthy bdcs.
[00:08:40] Speaker B: Crazy, right? And the whole thing about feminizing men with this type of thing.
[00:08:47] Speaker C: I'm sorry, I didn't finish the story. So anyway, so then you look at the testosterone activity in the male. Okay? And while they may have normal testosterone levels. Testosterone is not working very well. Because the phthalates are blocking the testosterone receptor sites. While also promoting the estrogen receptor sites. So you're getting basically demasculization, feminization. Of men who are using a lot of these healthy mediates. I show this chart. I say to say to my audience, I say, well, usually health and beauty, age to be more manly. But the problem is you're making yourself less manly. If you define testosterone as manliness.
[00:09:22] Speaker B: When it comes to diabetes, smoking, the polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons. Smoking could increase your risk of diabetes quite a bit. If you could talk quickly in the last 40 seconds about that.
[00:09:35] Speaker C: Sure. Near as I can tell from looking at the research. About 15% of diabetes is due to the air pollution. The poly aromatic hydrocarbons, the particulate matter. And so I do not know what the mechanism is, but I'll tell you, the correlation is very, very clear and very, very strong. So what's happening is the particulate matter has what are called volatile organic compounds on them. Or pholycytic aromatic carbons. And they bind to them. And the reason that the particulate matter 2.5 is the worst because it dives most deeply into the lungs.
[00:10:09] Speaker B: Hold that thought. This is Doctor Kerry Gel for open your eyes. Radio on Amddeen 1280 of the patriot. We'll be right back with doctor Joe Prizzorna.
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[00:13:36] Speaker B: We're back with Doctor Joe Pizzorno. Doctor Brazono, founding president of Bastair University. He coined the term science based natural medicine. He has a number of books that you could get on Amazon. His newest healthy bones. Healthy you. This is Doctor Kerry Gill for open your eyes radio on AM 1280. The Patriot and I'm really enjoying this top this discussion because I'm very interested in this topic. Not only am I interested for my patients, but I'm interested for myself, for my wife, my kids. I want us to be healthy and we need to get these toxins out of our body. So we were talking about cigarette smoke at the end, about the polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons and how that could cause cancer and diabetes. If you could just finish that subject for us, doctor.
[00:14:26] Speaker C: Sure.
Phs are hugely problematic, and not just for diabetes, but also they play a huge role in cardiovascular disease and respiratory disease. I read one study that was just shocking. They looked at the distance that people lived from a major highway or freeway. They then looked at the levels of PHS in their body. Then they looked at their incidence of cardiovascular disease. In this particular study, I looked at those that were within 50ft of a major highway had a 50% increased risk of cardiovascular disease, you might say, well, 50ft from the highway, that's not very. That seems unrealistic. Go to any major city and you'll see apartment buildings lining freeways within 50ft. But here's the really scary part. 100 yards away, a football field distance from a freeway, still a 17% increased risk of cardiovascular disease because of these pahs. So the phs are problematic. Now, here's where that particulate matter becomes so important. So particulate matter is measured by its size. So you have PhPm ten. Okay. That's one of the measures of air pollution pm ten well, it's not good for us. It's not terrible either, because our lungs are pretty good at keeping out of the body. When it gets really small to a size of 2.5, which is 2.5 microns, it bypasses the ciliary in the lungs. That's protective. It gets into the body. Research has been done in humans and in rats.
I'll give you the rat data, because it has, we don't has data we don't have from humans. The rat data shows that within 1 hour those phs are found and the particulate matter itself is found throughout the body. Within 3 hours, it's actually in the brain that the animal is exposed to it. So these pahs are hugely problematic because not only is the particulate matter itself damaging, but bound to the particular matter are all the phs and VLC, poly aromatic hydrocarbons and polycystic aromatic hydrocarbons and the other forms of air pollution. They then bind to these small particulate matter. And because it gets out through the whole body, we now are distributing these toxic chemicals through our whole body, including the brain.
[00:16:39] Speaker B: And the best way to get these.
[00:16:40] Speaker C: Out of our body, so the best way is to avoid them. Okay, so I recommend to everybody, if you've got a whole house air conditioner, heating system, put a Merv twelve or 16 filter into your air conditioning system. Now the merv, I use a MRV 16 in our house. It gets rid of 99.9% of the toxins in the air. Extremely effective. And it was so effective that we noticed that we had far less dust in our house as well. That's very important.
[00:17:08] Speaker B: Explain what MerV is.
[00:17:10] Speaker C: So just a rating. So MeRV is a rating to determine how much a filter restricts airflow and how effective it is at blocking particulate matter. So the cheap ones, they don't block much particulate matter and they have a lot of resistance. The good ones, like the MRF 16 I was mentioning, they block out all that particulate matter 2.5, as well as non restricting airflow very much.
[00:17:33] Speaker B: Can people buy these filters at Home Depot?
[00:17:36] Speaker C: Home Depot, Amazon. So the one that I use, the MRF 15 I use is a Linux Mer 15.
Of course, I've used a name brand and the filter replacement is about $200 and I do it every six months.
[00:17:49] Speaker B: And how about a HEPA filter?
[00:17:51] Speaker C: So that's the next part. So if a person does not have a whole house one, I do recommend HEPA filter in the areas where they spend the most time, which shouldn't going to be the bedroom and the kitchen or family area. So where people spend most time, they should have a HEPA filter.
[00:18:06] Speaker B: In the first episode, we were talking about diabetes and persistent organic pollutants, the environmental chemicals. And I just want to bring up the statistic. And I would like for you to tell me if you would agree with it if you saw it, but that if they looked at people with high amount of persistent organic pollutants, I believe six. And compared to the people in the lowest quintile, and they had a 37 times greater risk of diabetes in the highest quintile versus the lowest quintile. And I would like for you to comment on that. Just bring that point home. How these toxins could cause diabetes.
[00:18:46] Speaker C: First off, I say it's so much more fun for me when the interviewer has actually done their homework and studied this area. So you're asking me a lot of great questions. Oh, I just forgot your question.
[00:18:59] Speaker B: Sorry.
[00:18:59] Speaker C: I was more than wanting to compliment what you said.
[00:19:02] Speaker B: No, no. So I was talking about the six for Gistin.
[00:19:06] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, right. Okay.
So this is the work of Ducky Lee in South Korea. So she's the person who, about 20 years ago, first raised a flag on these industrial pollutants causing diabetes. And she went through and looked at them, and she found six that were the worst. And they then looked at the incidence of diabetes in people. So what are these six? Number one is PCB's.
Sorry. So hard to get out of the body. PCB's number one, phthalates. Number two, arsenic. Number three. I think you can see why I talk so much about those things, because diabetes now accounts for one out of every four health care dollars being spent in the United States.
This is a huge disease because the problem with people with diabetes is people live with it for a long period of time. These toxins are not only impairing our blood sugar control, but they're then an indirect measure of how all the other damage is being done in the body. There's a direct correlation with virtually every disease I've seen with one or more environmental toxins.
[00:20:15] Speaker B: And there was another study of obese people. Obese people that didn't have high amount of toxins, didn't get diabetes versus obese people with toxins. Can you talk about that?
[00:20:30] Speaker C: Yeah, that was a really important study when I found it, because I was looking at it. Why do we have this diabetes epidemic? 1% when I was in native medical school half a century ago, now, 13% of the population and one out of three people protected get diabetes in their lifetime. What happened? So I throw a look at the various factors. Yep, sugar didn't explain it, but obesity did explain it. But then I saw that work from Ducky Lee, which had looked at the body of the by load of the environmental toxins in diabetics and obese people, and found that obese people in the bottom 20% of by load of these diabeticins at no increased risk for diabetes. Whereas obese people in the top 20% of by load of diabetic, 65% of them already had diabetes. Not that they had increased risk, they already had the diabetes. But then I looked at the data on lean people, looks at lean people and ones with low levels of environmental toxins or diabetes, but those in the top 20% by load of these six diabetins, 30% of them already had diabetes. So it's very clear that diabetic genes are the primary cause of diabetes. Not sugar, not sugar, not fat, not lack of exercise, not chandos, are good for people, so they'll increase risk for diabetes. The biggest factor by far are environmental, diabetic.
[00:21:52] Speaker B: And people are running out now on getting semi glutathione to lose weight. Now, these toxins could also be an obesogen, can help you gain weight. Talk about that a little bit. And if we avoid it, will it help us lose weight?
[00:22:04] Speaker C: Yes. So the other term that the researchers use for these chemicals are obesogens, because they induce obesity. Because whenever you induce insulin resistance, you increase the incidence of diabetes. So, hugely problematic in many ways.
[00:22:24] Speaker B: So I want to talk about lab tests. I want to talk about GGT and the enzyme GGT, which recycles glutathione, and glutathione being the most important molecule in our body for detoxification. So talk about the GGG test and how that relates to diabetes. If it's over a certain amount, I guess optimal. We want between maybe ten and 17. But if it's over a certain amount, our risk of diabetes is much higher. If you could talk about that.
[00:22:52] Speaker C: Yes.
GGTP is a very interesting enzyme. So it's an enzyme in the liver, and its job is to recycle glutathione. There's other things as well, but jobs, recycled glutathione. Now, in the past, it was part of a standard blood screen. You go to your doctor, get tables to a standard blood screen that includes GTT in order to determine if there's liver, if there's a problem with the liver, because when liver gets damaged, it starts to become enzymes into the blood. One way we detect liver disease is we measure people's enzyme levels in the blood. They're supposed to be at a certain level.
So GTT is quite interesting. So they stopped using it for detecting liver disease because they found other methods that were more reliable. The reason it was not as reliable is because GTT was going up not only in response to liver damage, but our smart bodies were being exposed to environmental toxins. We increased the production of that enzyme to recycle glutathione more quickly to protect us from the toxins. So as you might expect, as GTT levels go up, it's telling us all prisoners have more toxic exposure. We're hard to get rid of them. And there's a direct correlation between GTT and diabetes and risk of death and a wide range of other diseases. So GTT in the normal range is ten to 60. It depends on the lab, some ten to 50, but we'll take ten to 60 is kind of the average. So within the normal range as GTT goes up from about 25, you get direct increase in diabetes. So going back, so now looking at general population and it'll say look at people with a GTT of 30, this level of diabetes, not very much GTT of 50, 20 times as much diabetes as a person with GTT below 25, a GTT of 30 using 25 as our standard GTT of 38 fold increased risk of diabetes. And one thing that I've seen now and other my colleagues have seen as well as we help patients detoxify, the GTT goes down. So that firstly you said 38 times the risk. Yeah. So it's a GTT above 50 has twentyfold increased risk. Above 30 has an eight fold increased risk.
[00:25:08] Speaker B: This is Doctor Kerry Gilb. I'm with doctor Joseph Prisano. He's helping us learn about toxins. And this is a fascinating discussion. We're going to be back right after the break. This is Doctor Kerry Gill for open your eyes radio on AM 1280, the Patriots.
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[00:28:46] Speaker B: We're back with Doctor Joseph Pisano, founding president of Bestere University. He's educating us on environmental toxins and how to get them out of our body to help us stay healthy. This is Doctor Kerry Gelb for open your eyes radio, go to my website at wellness.
So, doctor Pirzano, please finish on GGT for us.
[00:29:09] Speaker C: Well, as I mentioned, I and others have used GTT as a way of monitoring a person's blood sugar level toxicity. There's other measures. Well, we can talk about if you want to, but GTT, the good thing about this one is it's easily available. Every standard laboratory test will run. It's not very expensive, so I'll use myself as an example. So I took this corporate wellness program in Canada. DTT is one of the things I measured to see how toxic people were. And indeed, I found a lot of gtts are higher than they should be. And mine was 27. I thought, well, 27 is pretty good. But then as I dug more and more into research, I realized, wait a minute, that's still in the range, which probably increased my risk of diabetes, which tells me I probably have too much toxicity. So I got even more careful about my toxicity, and I ran the test again after about two years, and it was down to 23. Great. I'm good progress. And then again, be more and more careful about toxins. Now starting to grow more and more of my own food. I retested again about three years ago. It was down to 16. I just tested this fall, it was down to 16. So that is where it should be. Between about 15 and 20. It gets below 15, means you're probably having trouble producing, recycling. Glutathione enough if it's above around 20, means you're having to recycle too much because there's too much toxin. So this is my way of monitoring it. And it was quite good for myself to see that this would change the way I expected it to.
[00:30:31] Speaker B: And, you know, we talked about arsenic.
There's a funny way of finding how much arsenic. Could you tell us about that?
In the toenails.
[00:30:43] Speaker C: Oh, the toenails. Okay. Yeah. So here's the problem with arsenic and, Alice, the good part of arsenic. The good part of arsenic is it's a non persistent toxin. So we, as a human species, we were exposed to arsenic quite a lot as we evolved because it's in a lot of water supplies. So the half life of arsenic for the average person is between two and four days. So the problem is if you have a patient who, for example, I'll give you a good example right here in Seattle. So I practice in Seattle, although I'm not practicing now, but I used to practice in Seattle.
And you have a patient come in from eastern Washington who's having health problems. Want to come see you. I come from eastern Washington. They spent a couple days going to Costco to get groceries and going to movies, the theater and such, and they don't see it, actually four days after they've left their home. Well, at that point, if there's arctic in the water supply and it turns out there's a lot of arsenic in western Washington, well, the arsenic would have gone down too low and I wouldn't have picked it up. So that's when you start using toenail arsenic because it gives you the average amount of arsenic over about a three month period of time.
[00:31:46] Speaker B: Wow, that's very interesting.
[00:31:48] Speaker C: And by the way, Antonio, arctic directly correlates with diabetes.
[00:31:51] Speaker B: Wow, that's really interesting. How about urine? What's the problem with using urine for toxins?
[00:31:58] Speaker C: Urine has the big advantage of us being easy to get, and it's not particularly damaging to the environment, techniques and things of this nature. The disadvantage is that it's only going to show you what the body is getting rid of.
There are many toxins. If you want to look into this more, you might find that interest. If you can get an interview with him, you should do so. Doctor Steven genuis up in Edmonton, Alberta. So Steven's a MD specializing in environmental medicine. He's done a lot of great work on this.
[00:32:34] Speaker B: He learned a lot about sweating, and we talked about that.
[00:32:37] Speaker C: Exactly. So what he did is we always thought about sweating as a be a way of detoxifying. So he took a bunch of people, took ten people, put a mess on it, collected their sweat to see what was in it, and he also collected their blood and collected their urine.
He found toxins in the sweat that were not in the blood or in the urine because they're so hard on the body, so hard for it to get rid of. The body's trying to sequester it in a way that was minimum damage as possible. So when people are sweating, the body's got a mechanism for getting rid of it. So sweating turns out to be very, very useful.
[00:33:09] Speaker B: Maybe think about it about sweating. Not to interrupt, but we talked about sauna. Is infrared swedish or sitting in a hot sun in Florida in the summer? Is there a difference?
[00:33:21] Speaker C: Yeah. So that's exactly the question I asked him after I saw that lecture.
People find me challenging to ask sometimes ask hard questions, and he said, it doesn't matter. All that matters is if you're sweating. So if you're a runner, you're sitting in the sauna, you're sitting in the sun, it doesn't matter as long as you're sweating. Take plenty of fluids. I recommend when you're taking those planted fluids, either in the sauna or in the sun, try to do a little bit of alkalinization while you're doing it, because when you do more alkalizing fluids, it makes it easier for the cells to get rid of the toxins.
And by alkalinizing, things like Hep, potassium citrate, or magnesium bicarbonate in the water.
[00:34:03] Speaker B: And before, we were talking about getting rid of the toxic load. Detoxifying avoidance, as you said, is the best. We want to increase glutathione. What are the best ways to increase glutathione? Do you recommend taking liposomal glutathione? Do you recommend precursors like Nac? What do you think is the best way? Whey protein. What is the best way to do it?
[00:34:25] Speaker C: The cheapest, most convenient way is with nsylcysteine. So taking 500 milligrams of inosyl cysteine twice a day will increase the red blood cell levels of glutathione by about 30%. You get the same thing by consuming about 16 grams of white powder. It will do the same thing. So the promotion of glutathione is worthwhile. Now, if you want to speed up as much as possible, you can use liposomal glutathione, either as topical or as an oral agent. Glutathione by itself, that's not modified, is a pretty expensive way to increase glucon levels, because it's broken down the gut too effectively. So that's why I find Nac much more effective. Or topical glutathione. It's the best way to do it.
[00:35:07] Speaker B: And how about when we're talking about resveratrol? Resveratrol for arsenic, like resveratrol, b vitamins. Tell us about that.
[00:35:19] Speaker C: So let's look at the view. Vitamins in arsenic. The way the body gets rid of arsenic is through something called methylation.
Your audience may have heard of something called homocysteine. When a person has elevated homocysteine levels, it means they're having troubles with methylation, which means after being exposed to arctic, they have trouble with arctic as well, because without enough methyl groups, the body can't detoxify as effectively as it should. So that's one of the things I do with people with arsenic toxicity. I always check their, they're homocysteine levels. And if they're high, then we give them real quick.
[00:35:51] Speaker B: One thing. I've had a patient that had normal, pretty much normal homocysteine. They came in all of a sudden, it jumped up like 15 when it was regularly ate. What do you think they usually would mean?
[00:36:02] Speaker C: I suspect there are certain foods that have eaten at high levels. The homocysteine could go up, but I haven't seen research on it, so I don't want to guess.
[00:36:09] Speaker B: Okay. And how, you know, BPA, alpha lipoic acid, some of the metro resveratrol.
[00:36:16] Speaker C: So actually, I was really curious about that because the number of, from our research that shows that when things like resveratrol are given to both animals and humans, their glutathione levels go up. So the early thing it was, it was promoting production of glutathione. It turns out the way most of those things are working is by doing the antioxidant and detoxification effect work that glutathione was doing. So the body does not need as much, does not use up the glutathione as quickly. So that's why the glutathione levels are higher. Pretty interesting. So they're worth doing, but it's not because they're increasing glutathione production. It's rather decrease the need for glucathy.
[00:36:51] Speaker B: Interesting. And how about, like BPA, you know, probiotics on probiotics and alpha lipoic acid?
[00:37:01] Speaker C: All useful. So many of these nutrients are useful on kind of like an everyday basis to promote health. But when there's a health problem, sometimes they want to use a lot more. So, for example, somebody with diabetes. Well, the alpha lipoic acid is extremely useful for people with diabetes because it dramatically decreases their risk of getting the side effects of diabetes, like kidney failure and lost peripheral neuropathy, peripheral nerves and peripheral blood supply and things of this nature.
[00:37:30] Speaker B: How about bile sequestrants that have been used to lower cholesterol levels?
[00:37:36] Speaker C: So bile sequesterants are very effective at getting rid of pcvs. So one of the studies I show people are Pringles. Pringles used to be made with olestra, not made anymore, but Pringles made with lecture. When you had people eat them, they decreased their cholesterol levels, but they also decreased their pcb levels as well.
[00:37:55] Speaker B: But it's not made with that anymore. We don't want people eating processed foods, right?
[00:37:59] Speaker C: Yeah. No.
So that's one of the rare examples where I actually prescribed to patients processed foods like those crinkles, because it helps get rid of their pcv levels.
[00:38:11] Speaker B: You know, the body spends a lot of energy getting rid of toxins. Iker Doctor Sid Baker, very famous doctor. 25% of all your energy is used to get rid of toxins and we produce internal toxins.
[00:38:28] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:38:29] Speaker B: When we break down hormones like estrogen or testosterone, we could break it down in a good way, which is non cancerous, or we could break it down in a bad way, which could be carcinogenic. Can you speak to that?
[00:38:41] Speaker C: Yes, that's very well said.
When we're often we're thinking about our hormones and such, we think about all the great things they do. You make us men more manly, make women more feminine, that's fine. But once the hormone's done its job, what happens to it? Well, it turns out that depend upon person genetics, depending upon their environmental toxic load and depend upon their nutritional status, determines whether estrogen, for example, is broken down to a form of estrogen which is anticarcinogenic or broken down to a form of estrogen which is pro carcinogenic. So look at estrogen. Why do women who eat more cabbage have lower levels of breast cancer? Because when women consume cabbage, they promote the enzymes that detoxify estrogen to the anti cavity carcinogenic pathway. Conversely, women who smoke or eat a lot of, for example, char Borel food increase the risk of breast cancer because those things like phs and such promote the detox of estrogen into the pro carcinogenic pathways for estrogen. So diet has a huge impact on how well our body detoxifies both our normal endogenous chemicals, you might say, as well as the ones that are exposed to environment.
[00:39:54] Speaker B: We're finishing up in the last 40 seconds here. Gut bacteria that could go against us or help us talk about that quick.
[00:40:03] Speaker C: Also, age old naturopathic adage disease begins in the gut.
Another age old naturopathic adage, when in doubt, detoxify the liver.
It turns out, as you know, we have ten times many bacteria in our gut cells in our body.
[00:40:22] Speaker B: I thought. Doctor Pisano, we're coming up to a break. This is Doctor Kerry Gill for AM 1280, the patriot. I'm with Doctor Joseph Pisano. Doctor Presano has his books on Amazon. Go look for his books, they're fantastic. We'll be right back.
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[00:43:29] Speaker A: This is open your eyes radio with Doctor Kerry Gelb.
[00:43:32] Speaker B: This is Doctor Kerry Gelb for am 1280 the Patriot on open your eyes radio. Visit my website at wellness 1280 dot. We're visiting with doctor Joseph Pisano. He's teaching us all about environmental toxins and he's teaching us a lot. There's a lot of good stuff here. So once you listen to it once, you might have to go back and listen to it again, but you're going to learn a lot to become healthy. We were talking about the gut, and we were talking about internally produced toxins, and we're talking about the gut, and disease begins in the gut. So talk to us a little bit about that.
[00:44:06] Speaker C: One thing I try to do when teaching about toxins, detect people, not get blinders on and think it's only environmental toxins. Yes, we have environmental medicine chemicals, but we also have endogenously produced chemicals like actually in testosterone. Why handle them inflammatory chemicals? Well, once they got their methods out, they got be detoxified. So our body smells a lot of energy detoxifying, normal things. But we also have another class of toxins I like to tell people about, and that's toxins of choice. People drink alcohol. It's a toxin depletes glutathione. Don't say you don't do it, but recognize consume alcohol, you're depleted. Glutathione. Marijuana, well, marijuana, when it's grown illegally, tends to be grown indoor with grow lights and such. They have a huge problem with fungus and things of this nature. So indoor marijuana is sprayed with all these herbicides and pesticides and fungicides and such. So when you smoke that stuff, it's a really effective way of getting toxins into your body.
Another example is salt. We need some salt. But we consume so much salt now that we impaired the kidney's ability to get rid of toxins, because having to get rid of all this salt, another one is wheatley, the person.
Most people dont realize this, but for about one quarter of the population, in my opinion, wheat is the poison for them because it causes the gut become inflamed and leaks bacterial metabolites into the body in an uncontrolled manner. So you have to look at choices people are making. Then we look at the gut. A healthy gut has all these bacteria that make the body work better, but when you're taking a lot of antibiotics or eating foods that have been contaminated with toxic organisms, now these organisms in the gut are producing molecules that are damaging to us and doing things like damaging the mucous membranes of the gut, which then allows the contents of the gut to leak into the body without the normal controls.
I'll give you an anecdote.
Patient came to see me who had ulcerative colitis, and her doctor had been given her drugs, and drug after drug was failing. And she's now told next thing was she'd have to have her colon removed and have a colon, a bag hanging from her abdomen.
She came to see me, and I know a lot about ulcerative colitis. I went through my normal procedure of, well, let's get rid of food allergens, get good nutrients. We see a proper bacteria in your gut, and she got maybe a quarter better. But she's still having symptoms, still having to take drugs. Then, on her own, she learned about using fecal transplants.
She asked about fecal transplants, and, yeah, that's a good idea. Just by way, about ten years ago, I said, but at this point, the legality for me as a doctor to do it is problematic.
But she said, that's fine, I'll go on the Internet and do it. So she went on the Internet, found the protocol, use her father's fecal material, did the fecal transplant, and her symptoms decreased dramatically. One time she did a second time, 30 days later, all her symptoms were gone. She was gone off of all the drugs. And when she came to see me six months after doing this, as a follow up, she said, all my symptoms are gone, and now my farts smell like my dad's. I thought it was really interesting, because what happened is she got rid of the wrong bacteria in her gut. Now, why did she have the wrong bacteria in her gut? Because at age nine, she was having chronic urinary tract infections. So her pediatrician put her on daily broad spectrum antibiotics. Guess what happened? Within a year, she had gastro. Gastric upset. Within three years, she was diagnosed with ulcerative colitis. So it was caused by the medical intervention and by putting the right bacteria back into her body until I got rid of it. So we ask, how powerful is the gut? Gut plays a huge role in our everyday health, but also our resistance to disease.
[00:47:59] Speaker B: I want to switch now to heavy metals, lead, which could increase the risk of heart attacks, and then mercury. If you could talk a little bit about that.
[00:48:07] Speaker C: So there's good news around lead. When we finally realized how bad lead was in the general population, we started to decrease it. And by the way, this brings up an example of where we have problems with other standards in general. The way the standards are determined for whether something's toxic or not is, are you in the top 5% of the general population of. By load of that toxin? So by definition, about 95%, you're fine. About 5%, you're problematic. So that was how the standard was set for lead. And it was set at 60 micrograms per decaliter of blood. It's an unusual measurement. It was set at 60, but they found that people at 60 were having all this heart disease, children losing their iq and such. That's back in 1960. So about every ten years, they would drop the level, drop the level. The level is now ten in adults and five in children. So the problem is lead is hugely toxic. So as the research started realizing this, we got Congress said, okay, let's get lead out of gasoline, get lead out of paint. And then you look at people's blood levels and average blood levels of the population have gone down, except older people, people like myself, my age group, we form all our bones when the lead environment set with lead. That means when people get older and lose their bones, as you see more in women than men, those blood levels of lead go up as coming out of the bone. And then of course, when you start seeing all the heart attacks and dementia and such, it's older in life. If people are losing bone and letting not just lead in the bone come out where mercury comes out as well.
[00:49:39] Speaker B: Talk to me about mercury, about fish. The difference between a sardine and big fish. Big fish having almost a thousand times as much.
[00:49:48] Speaker C: A thousand times as much as sardines.
[00:49:51] Speaker B: Talk to me about that and the dangers of mercury.
[00:49:53] Speaker C: Yeah, basically the rule of thumb is the bigger the fish, the higher levels of mercury. There's also the rule of thumb. The more the fish eats near bays of industrialized countries, the more chemical pollution that it has as well. So good thing about sardines is very low lead levels of mercury.
Very low levels of mercury. They have more chemical pollutants than I would prefer. But we look at the big fish. For example, chilean sea bass is one of the worst and it has 1000 times as much mercury. I believe fish is a good food for us. But realize that when you're eating fish, you must make sure it's only small fish. Make sure there's plenty of fiber in your diet. And make sure you take in nicyl cysteine on a regular basis because nicole cysteine will increase glutathione levels. And glutathione binds directly to mercury and will neutralize it and get it out of the body.
[00:50:43] Speaker B: What symptoms of mercury toxicity?
[00:50:45] Speaker C: Almost all neurological. So a person's having short term memory problems, tasting the mouth.
Their hands are shaking a little more than they expect.
Memory problems, foggy memory. That's one of the earliest signs of mercury toxicity.
[00:51:04] Speaker B: Talk to me about getting it alkylating with DMSA, that protocol.
[00:51:09] Speaker C: Mercury is an intermediate toxin. The half life in the body is about 30 days. So not terrible, but you gotta stop the exposure. Here's something that's very interesting then. This was actually done in humans reproduce from animals. The body dumps into the gut. 1% of the totally by load of mercury every day, and then reabsorbs 95% of it because of enter pac recirculation. Why is that? This is what I said before, non fiber in the diet. So if all you want to do is the safest possible way of doing things, simply increasing fiber in the diet will get rid. Will get the mercury down. Now, having said that, but not if they have a mouthful of silver amalgams. So a person has silver fillings, so called amalgam fillings. Well, they're 55% mercury. And I remember reading a study that was so funny, I mean, funny in a kind of disastrous sort of way. They showed that if you have a person with fillings, you measure the levels of mercury in the blood, in the urine to a certain level, and then when you give them a chelation therapy, like with TMSA, like I mentioned before, DMSA, really good working out of the body, getting the DMSA. I prefer oral because it's safer, but this study did iv because it's faster. They showed, look, dramatic drop in the levels of mercury in the blood and in the urine. But then 24 hours after they stopped the therapy, it came back to where it was before. And so their response was, see, it's ineffective therapy. No, it was effective therapy, but they still have the fillings in the mouth leaking mercury into the body. So it's like you have to deal with the cause. So going back to the mercury thing. Yes. Fiber will increase its excretion from the body. Glutathione is really important, and NHC is a good way to get enough to protect from the mercury, get out of the body. If you got a mouthful of silver fillings, you got to get them removed by an ecological dentist. It has to be an ecological dentist, not a regular dentist, because if you drill out the mercury fillings, you release all this mercury to the brain.
[00:53:04] Speaker B: So we're almost done with the show, but real quick. Yes. Thumbs up or down on fulvic acid and zeolite.
[00:53:13] Speaker C: So zeolite in environmental cleanup works very, very well. Does it work in humans?
I just have not found any good research to tell me whether it works in humans or not. And fumaric acid. I'm aware of it. I haven't studied independently, so I can't have a good answer.
[00:53:30] Speaker B: All right, we're going to leave it at. Thank doctor Joseph Prizano for joining me. If people want to find out about you, how could they do it?
[00:53:38] Speaker C: Well, go to my website, drpizzoro.com. but more importantly, go to Amazon. Buy my book, toxin solution. Read it and do it. Okay? Don't just read it. You got to do it.
[00:53:48] Speaker B: This is Doctor Kerry Gell for open your eyes radio on AM 1280. The patriot until next week. Thank you for joining me. And thank you to doctor Joseph Pisano, the great doctor Joseph Pisano. Thank you very much.
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