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[00:05:46] Speaker E: Good morning. I'm Dr. Kerry Gelvin. Welcome to Wellness 1280 on Open your Eyes Radio. Please listen as I discuss the newest information in the world of health, nutrition and sports. Every Saturday morning 6am Central Time on AM 1280 the Patriot. Also, please share your thoughts by emailing me at doctor carry go gmail.com that's Dr. K-E-R O Y G LB gmail.com and visit my new website wellness1280.com where we have all guest links, Wellness 1280 info and previous shows. Wellness is taking over the Patriot Airways for the next hour. Sit back and enjoy my interview with Dr. Conor Rod There has been a 4.7 decline in medical school applicants for the 20232024 cycle, making the second consecutive year of decreased applications. In contrast, optometry school applications main remained strong. According to the association of Schools and colleges of optometry ASCO, there were a record breaking 2,800 plus applicants for the 20232024 cycle, the highest number in recent years. Today's guest is illinois optometric physician Dr. Connor Robbs. Dr. Robbs is on a mission to keep optometry and mission strong by educating and inspiring high school students about the educational path to become an optometrist. Dr. Rob is a published author in numerous medical journals for his work in retinal health, including research on how nutrition and exercise positively affect patients with neurological conditions as observed through ocular health scans. One of his research publications was recognized as most influential at the American Academy of Optometry 2020 National Meeting. His area of expertise include advanced ocular disease and glaucoma management, specialty contacts, pediatric eye exams and family eye care. Dr. Rob, thank you for joining me today on Open youn Eyes Radio and podcast with Dr. Kerry Gelb.
[00:08:08] Speaker A: Dr. Gelb, thank you very much for having me today. I appreciate it.
[00:08:12] Speaker E: I think all of us in the field of optometry is very proud of you, it's been many years where there has nobody that's really gone to the high schools and promoted optometry as a great profession, which it is, and I'm sure you're part of the reason why applicants are increasing. But before we do that, and I know part of your three point program is to take retinal scans of the students and teach them about retinal scans. We're in a very unique position. We are able to take scans of the retinal capillaries. When I graduated from optometry school, we used an ophthalmoscope and we were able to see about 150 microns. So when somebody had diabetes, say by the time they had side effects in the eyes, such as bleeding or something we call action dates, the person usually knew they had diabetes. But things are different today with the retinal technology because we could see about 8 microns. So tell me, how do we use retinal scans to help us diagnose disease sooner?
[00:09:19] Speaker A: Well, retinal imaging really came to the forefront in most practices, I would say roughly 15 years ago. And it's quickly becoming the standard in how we practice optometry. In order to look at the tissue of the back of the eyes, which we call the retina, there's two different options. One, we can either dilate the eyes and make the pupil bigger, and two, we can take these retinal images. These retinal images are simple camera flash that we can take at the back of the eyes. And it's really changed the way we practice. There are several different structures in the back of the eyes that we are very privy as optometrists, that we can only see through the eyes and not any other tissue of the body. We can regularly look at the blood vessels of the back of the eyes, in which we can't look through any other structure, as well as the optic nerve, which is a part of your brain, your second cranial nerve. There are several different conditions systemically that we are looking for. When we're looking at the back of the eyes, at the optic nerve, as well as the blood vessels. Neurologically, we want to ensure that your second cranial nerve, your optic nerve, is flat and doesn't have any inflammation to it. Many times as optometrists, we're looking at the optic nerve and sometimes we see inflammation of the optic nerve. There is pressure building up, and it can be for a variety of different reasons and conditions. I feel like our bread and butter, Carrie, is multiple sclerosis, right? We talk about this Specific demyelinating condition affecting the eyes. First one in four people that have multiple sclerosis, the presenting sign is optic neuritis. That person has pain on eye movement, that optic nerve. With that retinal image, we can see that optic nerve inflamed. It is literally bulging out of the of the eye there due to the pressure and inflammation. And that's just with a simple camera flash. We don't have to wait 20 minutes for them to dilate in order to look at the back of the eyes. We can just take this simple camera flash and we can see these systemic conditions. There are also different conditions that affect the optic nerve, such as infectious diseases. I had a patient several months ago that actually had West Nile virus and they did not know that they had it. Right. They came to me for pain on eye movement. I walked them over to the retinal image device. We took that simple camera flash and I could see that optic nerve bulging out. That's a trip to the emergency room. As we both know, we need to ensure that with an MRI that nothing else is going on. Lo and behold, that patient had meningitis. It flared up the brain and it traveled all the way to the optic nerve. But they came to see the optometrist first because they had pain on eye movement. There was so much pressure built up, she couldn't stand it anymore. And so we didn't have to wait for this. We had to go over, take that retinal image, that simple camera flash. I didn't need to wait 25 minutes for her to dilate. And then I sent her on her way to the hospital to get into the hands of the right people. So the efficiency, the cost of this, which is again, very minimal, has changed the way we've practiced forever. And how we looked at the back of the eyes and the retina. Yeah.
[00:12:36] Speaker E: And we could tell a lot about the vascular health of somebody because we're looking at the small capillaries. And disease will happen in the capillaries way before it's going to happen in the heart, possibly the brain. The kidneys have small capillaries as well, but we can't see the blood vessels in the kidneys, but we could see the blood vessels in the eye. Talk to me about some of the vascular changes that we could see in back of the eye.
[00:13:01] Speaker A: So cardiovascular wise, endocrine wise, when we're looking at those blood vessels, we want to ensure several different things. We want to ensure that specifically, there isn't any bleeding in the back of the eyes. And bleeding. Hemorrhaging, we call it is, it takes several different forms. Two that we look at are smaller capillary disease that we just discussed in diabetes, insulin resistance. Right. It's a huge epidemic in the States here. And when we look at the back of the eye, we need to ensure that a specific type of bleeding we call dot blot hemorrhaging, it's essentially if you took a little paintbrush and you dotted that on the back of the eyes, we need to ensure that that small vessel disease, diabetes is not occurring. When we see those small dot blot hemorrhages, we ensure, and we bring you over to your primary carer endocrinologist to take your A1C and blood sugar levels again to see if you're developing insulin resistance and diabetes. On the other hand, there's another type of hemorrhage that we call a flame shaped hemorrhage or a splinter hemorrhage. Right. That is more macro vascular, blood pressure related. Right. So when we look at the back of the eyes, my point to you in the general public is just by how the hemorrhage looks, the bleeding spot looks, we can get you into the hands of the right people and we can tell is it diabetes related or is it more blood pressure related just by looking at the blood vessels in the back of the eyes. And we can get you into the hands of the right people as a result of that.
[00:14:33] Speaker E: And what's really amazing is by looking at the caliper of the blood vessels, we could tell if somebody's at risk for a stroke, they're at risk for a heart attack. And now with AI, they're doing studies and they're showing there's many different combinations of the way the blood vessels are to see if somebody's at risk for a stroke or a heart attack. And the optometrist is going to be the one that's going to be on the, that's primary care that's going to be out there preventing mortality and morbidity. In other words, words, we're going to be saving lives.
[00:15:06] Speaker A: Absolutely. And the big talk nowadays is the different medications that we're giving to these patients. The big thing that we need to do is, is ensure that we're getting to the underlying issue. We can give as many of these weight loss drugs and different metformin insulin levels, you know, for these patients, but we need to get to the underlying issue and looking at their sugar levels.
[00:15:28] Speaker E: Dr. Rob's we're up against a break. This is Dr. Kerry Gello for Open youn Eyes Radio. I'm speaking with Illinois optometrist Dr. Connor Roberts. We'll be right back.
[00:15:37] Speaker G: I went to the eye doctor the other day with my daughter Maggie. I was shocked when the doctor told me that my daughter was already becoming nearsighted. It turns out that this problem affects more than 40% of Americans. My eye doctor thinks this disease is getting worse. Perhaps it's getting worse because of kids prolonged time spent playing with smartphones or maybe because kids now spend less time outside. My genetics probably aren't helping her a whole lot being nearsighted myself. But the good news is that the doctor told me about a new FDA approved product called My Sight. This specific one day contact lens is already worn by thousands of children in the us it is proven to slow down the progression of nearsightedness. And best of all, Maggie loves these contact lenses. The doctor taught her how to use them. Now it is so exciting to see her have even more success in the classroom and when she plays sports. I Recommend you visit openyourizedradio.com to find an eye doctor that specializes in this treatment program. Learn
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[00:19:42] Speaker E: We're back with Illinois optometrist Dr. Connor Robbs. And before the break, we were talking about vascular disease and how if we could see it early in the eye, we could prevent heart attacks, strokes and save lives. Continue that conversation. Dr. Robson.
[00:19:59] Speaker A: So what we were just discussing is the different medications, GLP1 drugs, metformin, insulin levels that many of these doctors are prescribing nowadays. I think it's great for, again, optometry, but also other healthcare professions that we're able to provide a vast majority and a wide variety of these medications for patients. But I try to preach to a lot of our patients, you know, getting to the underlying issues such as diabetes and blood pressure, of why we've become insulin resistant and why? We're seeing a lot of these hemorrhaging types in the back of the eyes. Right. So we need to ensure, as healthcare providers, yes, we can provide many different medications to treat these conditions, but we need to talk more about the nutrition and how it affects the back of the eyes and why we're seeing these different hemorrhaging types.
[00:20:53] Speaker E: So you did a paper on nutrition and neurological disease and exercise. Tell us a little bit about what you discovered.
[00:21:02] Speaker A: What we discovered at the University of Illinois in Champaign, we did a lot of studies on antioxidant levels and how it protects the macula. The macula controls our central vision and the vast majority of our color vision. Right. When I show patients the macula in the back of the eye, it's pigmented. It's filled with antioxidants such as lutein and zeaxanthin that we get from different nutritional types, such as eggs, avocados, different brightly col vegetables that travel to the macula. It's very protective in nature when it comes to the sun and different stress levels, antioxidant levels in the back of the eye. What we found is with different patients, especially with multiple sclerosis, some of these neurodegenerative conditions, when they were neuroprotective, when they were, you know, again, ingesting a lot of these different antioxidants in food forms, such as, again, avocados specifically and eggs, we. We took a look at.
They were, again, preventative in terms of macular diseases, such as macular degeneration, where macular degeneration really degrades the central vision of a lot of these people. So the study that we've done have shown that they are very neuroprotective in nature. When you're eating a lot of these antioxidants, and they literally do travel to the back of the brain. That goes back to our retinal imaging conditions and our conversation that we had, where we can literally see the pigment, we can measure the. The pigment in the back of the eyes, we can see their antioxidant levels, and we can see if they are neuroprotective for these people or not.
[00:22:42] Speaker E: And what's in the avocados that is beneficial to the eye.
[00:22:46] Speaker A: The two antioxidants, like we talked about, lutein and zeaxanthin, they're specific, again, antioxidants that are good for harmful sunlight specifically.
[00:22:55] Speaker E: And there's also supplements that have lutein, zeaxanthin, zeaxanthin, which is dead center. And people do really well. Now, if the pigment is thick in the back of the eye. What advantage is it to the patient?
[00:23:08] Speaker A: So what we found is, again, the risk for macular issues, such as macular degeneration, significantly decrease. Right. But the really interesting thing, especially in people with multiple sclerosis, some of these neurodegenerative conditions, when they had high antioxidant levels in the macula, we said that they were neuroprotective. We actually saw that their multiple sclerosis, from a broad macro standpoint, did not progress as much when they were physically active. Right. They had their mobility still more so than their counterparts that did not eat the avocados and the eggs. Right. So they had the condition progress a lot less likely when they were eating these conditions or eating these vegetables, avocados, eggs, in comparison to their counterparts who did not. So their mobility when they were not eating these neuroprotective foods was not as good for that, for that group of patients.
[00:24:08] Speaker E: Tell me about omega 3s. How are they protective?
[00:24:12] Speaker A: So omega 3s, we talk a lot more with the front surface of the eye and the meibomian glands. Meibomian glands line the upper and lower eyelids of the front part of the orbit. And so what happens is they're filled with oils, they're filled with fats. And these omega 3s are very, very protective in nature in terms of dry eye. We, you know, as humans, and we're sitting at desk jobs, a lot of these times we don't blink enough. And these oil glands can get really clogged up over time when we're staring at computers all day. And so what these omega 3s do is keep the oil in that meibomian glands, and it can be very protective for dry eye nowadays.
[00:24:54] Speaker E: And there's certain instrumentation that we use. We talked about retinal imaging, taking photographs, but there's something else that we use, something called oct. Tell me about oct. And how could that help the general public when they're going into the optometrist's office if they get scanned with oct, how could that help them with a variety of different disease conditions?
[00:25:14] Speaker A: The OCT is by far and away my favorite instrument that we have. And the OCT takes at a cellular level less than a few microns. We're talking very, very small structures in the back of the eye. The OCT takes scans of the back of the eyes. We can take a scan of either the macula, right. Controlling the central vision and. Or your optic nerve. The OCT really differentiated itself from other instruments years ago because we were able to see if macular degeneration was progressing and or if glaucoma was progressing. The big thing with OCT is it only takes about 15, 20 seconds to scan the back of the eyes and see if these conditions are present and or progressing in patients. The big thing in future direction of the OCT, that many researchers, optometrists, ophthalmologists and PhDs have really collaborated on the optic nerve. Are these OCTs able to detect Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, these neurodegenerative conditions earlier? Right. So as we speak right now, there's a lot of time, money and research going into can we use OCT as a preliminary biomarker for these neurodegenerative conditions. And the fact of the matter is this OCT is very inexpensive that you and I know. Less than $100 for a scan to your medical insurance, right? In comparison to a 5, 6, $7,000 MRI. So if we're able to detect these, you know, dementia, you know, neurodegenerative conditions, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, a little bit earlier, potentially with an eye scan, you that we're going to continue that research in the future.
[00:26:56] Speaker E: And what does exercise do for us? How does it increase blood flow and does it increase blood flow to the retina as well as the rest of the body?
[00:27:05] Speaker A: So what we've found with exercise and how it affects the eyes is again, it goes back to how the body utilizes the energy and how it breaks down, right? We know that if we're staring at our computers and living a very sedentary lifestyle, we are not going to be able to metabolize a lot of this energy as well as if we were exercising, right? What happens is, if we're not exercising, sugar can accumulate in the blood vessels, it can saturate them, and then they can leak, right? And so we see in the back of the eyes a lot of diabetes, insulin resistance as a result of these sedentary lifestyles. If you're utilizing the energy that you ingest every day, right, and you're burning the sugar, you're burning the fats, right, you're able to again, live a much healthier lifestyle. And we're not seeing A1C levels rise as a result, we're seeing no bleeding in the back of the eyes. And people live a very good, fulfilling life with very, very good vision. As a result of that, whoever thought.
[00:28:07] Speaker E: They were going to go to their optometrist and their optometrist is going to talk to them about nutrition, it's going to talk to them about exercise. This is really a Paradigm shift, if you could comment on that.
[00:28:19] Speaker A: Absolutely. So I've had patients even talk to us very recently about migraines too. Migraines are huge as well. We talk to them about electrolyte levels, barometric pressure, changing, seasonal changes. Right. So it's a very broad scope of what we do for patients every day. Right. Contacts and glasses are actually only a very small portion of the work that we do on a daily basis. Right. So when I pull up the retinal imaging and I show them that the back of the eyes are very healthy, we talk about that there's no diabetes in the eye, there's no high blood pressure that we're seeing. People are amazed at the fact that we can see all of these things. The fact of the matter is, I'm amazed that most new patients to us have never seen these retinal images before. Right. And so it's our job as optometrists to educate the public and show them that we are able to see all these neurological, cardiovascular, endocrine conditions as a result of taking these retinal images.
[00:29:19] Speaker E: You know, we mentioned OCT before, but there's something now that measures vascular density, OCT angiography, and it could tell us about the health of the body because we could see dropout of some of these blood vessels. And if we see dropout, we know that their health is in peril. If you could talk a little bit about people with diabetes or macular degeneration or people that have trouble with OCT angiography, people that at risk for a stroke or have had a stroke.
[00:29:50] Speaker A: So OCT angiography, again, it's a component to our OCT instrument that we're able to really visualize the blood vessels in depth. Right. So we are able to see if these capillaries, at a very small micron density, if they are dropping out, if they are essentially damaged and. Or dead at that point. Right. We are able to see at a microscopic level with oct, if the diabetes is. Is, you know, building up in the tissue, if those sugar levels are building up, and we can see if that retinal tissue is degrading as a result of, you know, high sugar levels. Like we talked about, when we do these OCT angiographies of the back of the eyes, we can see if there's actual blood flow to that tissue or not simply. Right. And so everybody knows we need to make sure that that blood flow is equal and fluid throughout the entire retina for. In order for people to see clearly. And so the big thing, too, that talk about when we're doing all These scans is. Many patients think that this is simply only happening in the eyes. I tell them no, no, no. This dropout, this blood flow, it is inhibited throughout your entire body. There is actually leaky blood vessels throughout your entire body right now. This is a big issue that we need to get on.
[00:31:08] Speaker E: Yeah. And if that capillary density is decreasing, that can happen in Alzheimer's disease, hypertension, diabetes, like you mentioned. So it's, you know, this is, this is, this is a new frontier for optometrists. This is Dr. Kerry Gel. We're up against the break. I'm speaking with Illinois optometrist Dr. Connor Robbs. We'll be back after the break.
[00:31:38] Speaker G: I went to the eye doctor the other day with my daughter Maggie. I was shocked when the doctor told me that my daughter was already becoming nearsighted. It turns out that this problem affects more than 40% of Americans. My eye doctor thinks this disease is getting worse. Perhaps it's getting worse because of kids prolonged time spent playing with smartphones or maybe because kids now spend less time outside. My genetics probably aren't helping her a whole lot being nearsighted myself. But the good news is that the doctor told me about a new FDA approved product called MySite. This specific one day contact link lens is already worn by thousands of children in the US it is proven to slow down the progression of nearsightedness. And best of all, Maggie loves these contact lenses. The doctor taught her how to use them. Now it is so exciting to see her have even more success in the classroom and when she plays sports. I Recommend you visit openyoureyesradio.com to find an eye doctor that specializes in this treatment program. Learn more at open your eyes radio.com.
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[00:33:39] Speaker G: I went to the eye doctor the other day with my daughter Maggie. I was shocked when the doctor told me that my daughter was already becoming nearsighted. It turns out that this problem affects more than 40% of Americans. My eye doctor thinks this disease is getting worse. Perhaps. Perhaps it's getting worse because of kids prolonged time spent playing with smartphones or maybe because kids now spend less time outside. My genetics probably aren't helping her a whole lot being nearsighted myself. But the good news is that the doctor told me about a new FDA approved product called MySite. This specific one day contact lens is already worn by thousands of children in the US it is proven to slow down the progression of nearsightedness. And best of all, Maggie loves these contact lenses. The doctor taught her how to use them. Now it is so exciting to see her have even more success in the classroom and when she plays sports. I Recommend you visit openyoureyesradio.com to find an eye doctor that specializes in this treatment program. Learn
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[00:34:42] Speaker C: For Townhall.com President Trump recently released an executive order that seeks to deny US Citizenship to children born to parents living here illegally legally. It revokes what's known as birthright citizenship for any baby born after February 19th. A federal judge blocked the order, calling it blatantly unconstitutional. But it might not be that simple. The argument is Based on the 14th Amendment, ratified after the Civil War to ensure citizenship for former slaves and other African Americans. It defines a citizen as all persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof. Note that final clause. The order's supporters argue that if the 14th Amendment had included birthright citizenship, the jurisdiction requirement would be superfluous. The Supreme Court will ultimately resolve this dispute, but whatever they decide, there's no question it's a real issue with real consequences for our country.
[00:35:41] Speaker E: We're back with Dr. Connor Robbs, Illinois Optometry Interest. I'm Dr. Kerry Gelb. You're listening to Open YOUR eyes radio on AM 1280, the Patriot. Look for our documentary Open your eyes on Apple TV, Amazon Prime, YouTube movies and shows, and the Open YOUR Eyes podcast released every Monday morning on all podcast platforms. So we were spending some time with Dr. Connor Rob's and we were talking about disease of the eye, preventing mortality and morbidity by looking inside the eye. But Dr. Konurops has another love. He wants to teach high school students why it's important to know to go to the optometrist and why they may want to become an optometrist at some point in their life. And educating to find who the future optometrists are. So, Dr. Rob, tell us a little bit about your program. I'm so proud of you that you're doing this and you're educating our students about what an optometrist is. I got to ask you. Very few people really know what we do. Is that true?
[00:36:46] Speaker A: I would say that's true. Dr. Gelb. The inspiration behind my Future Optometric Doctors program is to truly inspire high school students to get into medical optometry. The reason I stress the word medical is most people don't know that we do a lot of medical diagnosing like we just talked about in the last segment, in terms of diabetes and blood pressure, pressure in the back of the eyes. Most people know us for, again, going ahead and giving them prescriptions for glasses and different contact lenses, diagnosing different parts and conditions of the front and the back of the eyes, but not necessarily the systemic components and the conditions that can affect the eyes. So my goal with the Future Optometric Doctors program is to show people that we have a doctorate level education and we are able to diagnose many conditions of the eyes as well as systemically. But again, in addition to give people, of course, our bread and butter, contact lenses and glasses both.
[00:37:47] Speaker E: Do you meet with all these students? There are students sent to you from all over Illinois that want to get involved in this program. How many of the students really know what an optometrist does?
[00:37:59] Speaker A: I would say so to dates. We've been doing this program for about two and a half years at the Illinois College of Optometry. We've had roughly 600 medically inclined students attend over 45 programs. I would say less than 10% or so truthfully know that we do more than just contacts and glasses. If we're being honest, there are some students that are way ahead of the ball game and they know that there are different conditions that affect the eyes, and they do want to get into a field such as optometry. Right. But I would say the vast, vast majority have never seen pictures of the back of the eyes. They've never been dilated before, unfortunately, and they don't know that we're able to detect a lot of these conditions. So I would say the vast majority of students don't know the full scope of optometry when they enter my program.
[00:38:52] Speaker E: And how do you find students to come and observe with you?
[00:38:56] Speaker A: So it's really from word of mouth. I've been talking to many patients who are counselors, teachers at different schools. I reached out to different school systems. I have huge partners in the Chicago public school system that's one of the biggest school systems in the entire country. They have really, really caught on to what we've been doing. And they are very appreciative of the program that I put on for a lot of these students, in addition to many private schools around the country or around the Chicagoland area, I should say. So it was word of mouth, reaching out to different counselors, reaching out to different students across the entire Chicagoland area and seeing if they want a shadowing program, seeing if they want to get, get involved in optometry or the medical profession and showing them that optometry is not just contacts and glasses, but it's also diagnosing from systemic diseases that can affect the eyes.
[00:39:46] Speaker E: And besides, people in the high schools, who outside the high schools is helping you?
[00:39:52] Speaker A: I'm the only one who's owning and operating this, this program. And I'm very proud to say that of course I have help and support from the Illinois College of Optometry. But, you know, I go ahead and I reach out to these counselors. I set up the programs myself. I do have a very, very good relationship and partnership with our volunteer organization of optometry, we call svash. I have SVASH volunteers at ICO that help me on a daily basis promote and run these programs. So usually I have about three students from ICO that gain volunteer hours and help show these high school students what it's like to be in a doctoral program and go to optometry school. Now, mind you, when I have these students, I'll, I would say the vastly, almost 90% of them say I never had a program like I was in high school. And I go back on here, I've heard that time and time again. And you change the ways of that need to expose these high school students at a younger age. How great a question, how fulfilling a professional optometry truly is.
[00:40:41] Speaker E: And how long have you been doing this for?
[00:40:43] Speaker A: 2 and a half years. I started when I was a fourth year Commentary school student studying for part two of Boards. If that Tells you how committed I am to this mission and this profession. That's it. I started with a school on the west side of Chicago called Providence St. Mel and the first school that I went and visited as a fourth year student. I presented this idea to leadership at ICO and they gave me an opportunity that I'll be forever grateful for. We brought 25 students out to shadow in the clinic and I knew that I had something very, very good on my hands. I could see the spark and the fire within the eyes literally of a lot of these high school students that they had never seen something like this before. They've never been on a shadowing field trip such as this one before and I'm very proud that I did that. And ever since then, like I said, we've had roughly 45 or so programs. 600 students come out and and over 80% the big thing, 80% on a self reported survey want either an internship or again another shadowing experience following the program. So the vast majority really have an interest optometry following the program.
[00:41:44] Speaker E: Are you able to place any of these students in optometrists office to work?
[00:41:48] Speaker A: That's the next step and that's the next battle that I've been trying to fight.
If we have a practice, usually a bigger corporate entity would be great. I am looking for a practice that will take these students in for an internship. I have students all across Chicagoland area that would like a job, email me on a daily basis jobs in the professional training to get them placed in a practice close to where they live. Right. And if we can get them involved earlier, we are going to be better off for it in the future.
[00:42:11] Speaker E: Well, if you have any of that going to college in New Jersey, send them my way.
[00:42:15] Speaker A: That's exactly right.
[00:42:17] Speaker E: Probably if they're from Chicago, they want to go warmer.
[00:42:19] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:42:20] Speaker E: Want to go south. So it's a, you have, it's a three step program from what I understand. Explain the three steps and how it works.
[00:42:27] Speaker A: So it's a simplistic half day program, half day field trip that we bring these students out to the Illinois College of Optometry. First and foremost, a vast majority of the program is roughly two and a half hours and it's a shadowing experience. In our disease heavy clinics at the Illinois College of Optometry they are able to experience and see real time blood pressure in the back of the eyes in real time. Cataracts, glaucoma, different retinal conditions at the back of the eye with patients in the room as they are with our doctors and students. Secondly, we go over discussion, we talk about what it's like to be in a doctorate level program, what the prerequisite courses that you can take in high school and college to be successful people in optometry school afterwards. Right. We also, as you and I just did, we talk about systemic diseases that affect the eyes. We go into depth in regards to the different conditions that affect the body that literally travel to the back of the eyes and the front of the eyes for that matter. Lastly, and probably I would say the most important process is we take those retinal conditions on those students that we just talked about. Right? It's a simple camera flash and we are able to take those pictures for these students and we send them home with them. So they're able to see their real blood vessels in real time. They're able to see their optic nerve in real time time. And they can literally get inspired to get into the profession as a result of this three tier process, we call it.
[00:43:33] Speaker E: And your mom's an optometrist. Do you, do you work together?
[00:43:37] Speaker A: My mom and I do work together. We proudly work together since I was 10 years old. So I've been at a private practice in the western suburbs that she used to own called Naper Grove Vision Care. And I'm very proud to be an optometrist there and I'm very grateful to have gotten into the profession because of the actions that she's had. She told me that I need to get in and work at an early age and me practice in order to see if I like this or not. Right. And that's what I want to give to other students that might never have this opportunity. Right. In an option, you know, a field trip to be able to see patients in real time and potentially give them a job opportunity at a practice afterwards.
[00:44:08] Speaker E: So, so do you compete with your mother over cases? So who's the expert when it comes to retina? You or your mom? And this is as a table, have the tables flip and she has to come to you for a consultation.
[00:44:19] Speaker A: She, she, she and I joke with her patients. She, she says, oh, you're, you're, you're, I'm going to be honest with you, you're better off seeing Connor. Their, their education is much more advanced than ours were 30 years ago, which I, you know, I'm very, very, very grateful for that, you know, but I, I also, at the same time, I very much so respect her and the older ODs that have always told me that optometry is an art. Right. I can hear in a patient's voice, you know, what prescription to give them. Right. And so that has come with time and experience now. And so I, I very much so respect her, you know, practicing for over 35 years. So yeah, her and I, her and I have some, some awesome dinner table conversations at night for sure.
[00:44:52] Speaker E: So we got about a minute left in this segment, but I want to know when one of your students gets into optometry school, what kind of celebration are you going to have?
[00:45:03] Speaker A: So the first student that gets into optometry school right outside of this program and into undergrad and into optometry school after, it's going to be quite a celebration. I already know of several students that are already at the undergraduate level that have attended my program two years ago. So the results are coming very, very soon. I can promise you that.
[00:45:24] Speaker E: That, that's great. Well, we're speaking with Dr. Connor Rob, Illinois optometrist. This is Dr. Kerry Gel for OPEN YOUR EYES Radio. And when we come back after the break, I'm going to ask Dr. Robs a little bit more about his mom and how they work together and if he has any funny stories that he could tell us. This is Dr. Kerry Go. We'll be back right after the day.
[00:45:51] Speaker G: I went to the eye doctor the other day with my daughter Maggie. I was shocked when the doctor told me that my daughter was already becoming nearsighted. It turns out that this problem affects more than 40% of Americans. My eye doctor thinks this disease is getting worse. Perhaps it's getting worse because of kids prolonged time spent playing with smartphones or maybe because kids now spend less time outside. My genetics probably aren't helping her a whole lot being nearsighted myself. But the good news is that the doctor told me about a new FDA approved product called MySite. This specific one day contact lens is already worn by thousands of children in the US it is proven to slow down the progression of nearsightedness. And best of all, Maggie loves these contact lenses. The doctor taught her how to use them. Now it is so exciting to see her have even more success in the classroom and when she plays sports. I Recommend you visit openyoureyesradio.com to find an eye doctor that specializes in this treatment program. Learn
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[00:47:50] Speaker G: I went to the eye doctor the other day with my daughter Maggie. I was shocked when the doctor told me that my daughter was already becoming nearsighted. It turns out that this problem affects more than 40% of Americans. My eye doctor thinks this disease is getting worse. Perhaps it's getting worse because of kids prolonged time spent playing with smartphones or maybe because kids now spend less time outside. My genetics probably aren't helping her a whole lot being nearsighted myself. But the good news is that the doctor told me about a new FDA approved product called MySite. This specific one day contact lens is already worn by thousands of children in the us. It is proven to slow down the progression of near skin. And best of all, Maggie loves these contact lenses. The doctor taught her how to use them. Now it is so exciting to see her have even more success in the classroom and when she plays sports. I Recommend you visit openyoureyesradio.com to find an eye doctor that specializes in this treatment program. Learn
[email protected] this is Carol Platt Lebow.
[00:48:53] Speaker C: For Townhall.com in Chill by Biden's spate of last minute commutations, one particularly disgraceful episode stands out. Biden actually granted clemency to a drug lord who murdered an 8 year old boy and his mother to prevent them from testifying against him. They're saying it was an accident. Biden signed pardons for nonviolent drug offenders at the request of the ACLU. Biden's staff reportedly didn't double check the ACLU's list. This is a scam. But it also highlights a Greater emerging scandal. America was running on autopilot for four long years. The result was misguided progressive policy, sloppiness and a lack of accountability that wreaked havoc on our country. The truth about the Biden years will emerge as truth always does over time. And Americans will be horrified both at the fraud itself and by a complicit media that knew the truth truth and failed to tell it.
[00:49:53] Speaker E: We're back with Dr. Conor Robs, Illinois optometrist. And he's been very generous with his time talking about some of the personal things, talking about working with his mom. You know, in my days, the optometrist work with their dads, there weren't very many moms that were optometrists. But now more. It's like 70% of the optometrist now graduating are female. So that's going to become more common where, where people are going to graduate from optometry school and go into practice with their mom, just like medical doctors go into practice with their mom. So tell us any funny stories between you and your mom working together. I'd love to hear it.
[00:50:24] Speaker A: You know, I, I think a lot of it goes back to my optician days even, you know, so I've been working for her since I was 10 years old. And it's just funny to see some of the, the patients walk in that I've shared with her over the years, and they go, wait a minute, wait. Weren't you in the frame room helping me with glasses like eight years ago as a high school student? I said, yeah, yeah, that's, that's exactly, that's exactly right. And so, so a lot of them, she gets offensive where she goes, wait a minute, why have you been seeing my patients now? You know, for three years in a row? I don't know, we hit it off and we've had some, some great conversations together. Now they want to see me ma, you know, so don't take it personal. It's all good, you know, that's great.
[00:50:58] Speaker E: So on the website or the PowerPoint that you sent me, you had some students that wrote letters. And can you tell me about or share with the audience about some of those letters of people that went through their program? Have you tell us a little bit about that.
[00:51:13] Speaker A: There's a private school, Cicero Burbank, here in the southwest suburbs of Chicago called St. Lawrence High School. And they've been a staple of my program. I've had them out three or four times by now. And the teachers do a great job. They send me handwritten notes every time they come. And, I mean, it really digs into you. You understand why you want to do these things and your vision and your mission to inspire these high school students.
Some of the things that they've written, you know, talking about, you know, not having parents that ever went to college or, you know, even completed high school, for that matter, and they don't understand the path, you know, to get into the medical career in optometry, let alone anything else. And to show their gratitude is unexplainable. You know, the fact that they're so grateful that they were able to see and shadow patients, you know, at our optometry college is second to none. And so when we see these notes from not only students, but also the teachers, the counselors, administration of high schools is pretty impressive, the fact that we're able to give a lot of these students an opportunity that they've never seen before. And it's pretty interesting where I'm almost taken back, that I would have thought that many of these administrators and teachers were given these opportunities at other hospitals to see nurses and to see other medical pathways, but that does not seem to be the case. It seems as if a lot of these medical classes at high schools are not able to see patients, and that's what distinguishes most my optometry program from anywhere else, that they're able to see patients in real time. And the handwritten notes from the students are second to none. That's the reason that I continue to do this, no doubt.
[00:52:47] Speaker E: And do they all gather at the Illinois Council of Optometry in one of the lecture halls, and then you get to speak to them? And does anyone else speak to them besides you? Do you have any other doctors that help along the way?
[00:52:57] Speaker A: I would be remiss if I didn't thank all of the doctors in our clinic that allow them to shadow. So they are gracious enough to allow a lot of these students to come in and experience patient care with our students. I primarily speak to the high school students, you know, in our lecture hall and discuss with them the prerequisites and what it takes to be a competitive applicant in optometry. But I try to refrain from talking as best I can, and I allow our savage volunteers, our current students at ico, to discuss with them their experience from high school to undergraduate to optometry school. And I. And I always start off and I say, listen, guys, these students that you're looking at, they are not much older than you. I can promise you that. I guarantee you some of These students that you're looking at right now are probably 20, 21 years old, some of them very, very young. And some of you high school students, again, are, you know, 17, 18 years old. So the age not very far off. Right. And so I really have the current students take over and discuss what it takes to be a competitive applicant in optometry and their experience at ico.
[00:53:51] Speaker E: And you have some great professors at ico. Len Mesner, who was on this show and who talks about concussion. He's one of the world experts on concussion. And, you know, it must be great to be able to work with somebody like Dr. Mesner, who is so knowledgeable in this very important area of concussion, which is pretty underappreciated. Appreciate.
[00:54:09] Speaker A: Yes. So Dr. Mesner, I mean, is world renowned in terms of neuro optometry. Right. And so that's actually where I got the statistic earlier in the radio show of, you know, one in four people with the presenting time of, of Ms. Is optic neuritis. Right. He was the one who taught me this. Right. Carrie. And so it's one of those things that, you know, he has a mark on the profession, and he's taught us a variety of neurological conditions that we see in the eye. And I, I take everything that he's taught me into clinic every day.
[00:54:31] Speaker E: You know, it, you know, for people that play sports, people that have concussions, a lot of times, you know, obviously, the, the eye is about 50%, the brain is 50% of eye function. And so if you're going to get a concussion, a lot of times it's going to affect the eye, whether you have photophobia, which is certificate of light, or you just don't feel that you see. Right. And, you know, one of the problems in sports is the coaches on the sideline. They tend to want to get those kids back in the game sooner than they should, rather than waiting for the concussion to totally subside. And many times nobody's really ever sure when it really does totally subside. But, you know, sometimes the trainers, the coaches put pressure on the trainers to send the kids in sooner than they should. And this is something that Dr. Mesa talks a lot about.
[00:55:17] Speaker A: Yeah. So with concussions, they're near and dear to my heart, being a former hockey player for about 25 years of my life. Right. And so a lot of times when people come in with, with concussions, they'll have diplopia, you know, double vision symptoms. They'll have a lot of trouble reading up close on their computer at their desk job or day Job. Right. Or school, for that matter. And so, you know, it's up to us as optometrists to be able to help the neurological societies and, you know, partner up with them in order to, again, diagnose these conditions, but also to say, hey, you either need to stay on the sideline or the bench for a while, or, you know what? I think you're okay to go back in. Right. And so there is a lot of pressure, whether it be in youth sports, professional sports, to be able to perform and get back out there. But with the talk of CTE and a lot of these neurological developments happening, we need to be a lot more careful with sending people back out and players back out too early with a lot of these conditions that we can see in the eyes. Yeah.
[00:56:07] Speaker E: With 50% of the brain dedicated to the eye, these people need to see an optometrist or a neuro optometrist, somebody who specializes in this type of area. And in Chicago, ICO is lucky to have a clinic where they have people like Dr. Mesner there to be able to help these, these people, help these kids and not send them out too fast.
[00:56:26] Speaker A: Right. And so a lot, you know, the big thing too is I know he's done a lot with the King Divic testing and iPad testing on the sideline. Right. And so, so there are a lot of these even apps now that we are able to put on iPads and have these players do quickly on the sideline to track eye movements and see if there was a true concussion or not. And what basically dictate whether they're able to go back into the game or not as a result of that?
[00:56:49] Speaker E: Yeah, I mean, having that King Devic test on the sideline is instrumental. And of course that's really an eye test that's been used in probably 50 years for other things, but now they realize that it's something that could be used for concussions. So I'm just thinking about general optometry. We got about a minute and a half left before the end of the show. But when it comes to contact lenses, are you a one day contact, A one week contact, a two week contact? One month? Because one week will be coming up. So if somebody in your family needed contacts and contact the courts, there's no issue. What kind of contact lenses are they getting?
[00:57:22] Speaker A: That's a no brainer. That's going to be a daily lens. I'm a proud, proud daily lens where nowadays, you know, the risk of infection is so minimal with these contact lenses nowadays. People go, oh, the price I go, do you have any idea how much, you know, the cost of antibiotics and medical visits are? It's not worth it with abusing these monthly and two week contacts anymore. I'm a daily lens guy through and through.
[00:57:40] Speaker E: So if somebody wanted to contribute financially to help you in your efforts, educate their students, what can they do?
[00:57:45] Speaker A: Well, I would be very grateful and appreciative if anybody does want to truly help the profession of optometry and they want to help these high school students. You know, donations can be made to the Illinois College of Optometry and tagging my program, that would be something I'd be grateful for. But regardless of the finances and the money, I need a practice to give these students an internship for. That would be something that I would be forever grateful for.
[00:58:05] Speaker E: If somebody wants to get in contact with you, how can they do it?
[00:58:08] Speaker A: They can get in contact through LinkedIn and tag connor Robs and they can personal message me on LinkedIn. That'd be great.
[00:58:13] Speaker E: I want to thank Dr. Connor Robs for joining me today. Illinois optometrist. You did a great job. I want to thank you. This is Dr. Kerry Gale for Open youn Eyes Radio. We'll see you next week.
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